From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 5 08:29:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA05804 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 08:29:03 -0800 Received: from chemserv.umd.edu (chemserv.umd.edu [129.2.64.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA05799 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 08:28:59 -0800 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by chemserv.umd.edu (8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id LAA08527; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.6.4) id LAA01207; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 11:23:34 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@cappuccino.eng.umd.edu To: Greg Lehey cc: Bruce Evans , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: machine reboot & kernel maxusers option In-Reply-To: <199511051153.MAA11051@allegro.lemis.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, Greg Lehey wrote: > Bruce Evans writes: > > > > >> > I've been voting for hiding the ``not found'' messages behind the > > >> > "bootverbose" (boot -v) case long ago, but nobody seems to agree. :) > > >> > > > >> > > >> i agree with you - i think this should be the sense of a "-v" flag - normally > > >> you should'ne see what's missing (if it is something impotant you'll see it if > > >> something is'nt working :-) - but you shoud have a chance to look more careful > > >> at all the device probes (using boot -v) > > > > >I'll go along with that. "Not found" also scares off people who don't > > >realize that it's a normal state of affairs. > > > > It's only normal (and not good) for GENERIC and other bloated kernels. > > Would you like to hazard a guess about what percentage of people > really, *really* customize their kernels? Even if you do, you might > need to keep things in that you don't have (I haven't found a clean > way to remove CD-ROM support, for example). You're right, though, > that doesn't make it good. I might be wrong, but part of the reason I run FreeBSD instead of Linux is because the FreeBSD crowd seems uniformly more technical. I know this is a generalization, but I tend to equate Linux crowd == dos crowd == windows crowd. I think that folks would be surprised at how high this number is, not 90, but not 20 either. Maybe 40-60? > > Greg > > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them.