From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 12 09:52:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA21506 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21491 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11352; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04568; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:51:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:51:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711121751.KAA04568@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Kyle Mestery Cc: Nate Williams , Annelise Anderson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newest Pentium bug (fatal) In-Reply-To: References: <199711121535.IAA03735@rocky.mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Just because you have trouble with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. > > Your personal feelings have nothing to do with the existance of lack > > thereof of God or gods. If he/she/it truly exists, your beliefs don't > > somehow make it go away. > > > > And in the same token, just because you believe in something doesn't make > it exist to someone else. Right, but saying that it *can't* exist because of your personal feelings is foolishness. The possibility of the existance of God is based on knowledge that 'I' don't have absolute knowledge on the subject, so therefore it's possible that *something* may exist, but there's not enough 'quantifiable' information to make a scientific proof, hence the need for Faith. > did that, then what the heck do we base our beliefs on? Because we can't > discount anything, everything is real! No, I'm saying that the possibility exists *unless* you have complete knowledge of the problem. For example, I can tell you with assurance that my dog is at my house, and that you can verify this is true by searching my entire house. You have all the information available to you, so if you find my dog you've verified the truth of the statement, and if you don't find my dog, you've verified that I was lying to you. > You tell me something, and just because I dont believe, it doesnt make > it not exist, right? So, I should suddenly ponder the possibility it > is there? Yes, you should ponder the possibility that it is there, because you don't have absolute knowledge of the 'problem space'. :) Nate