From owner-freebsd-perl@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 1 18:32:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-perl@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FF8902; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (ultimatedns.net [209.180.214.225]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94A192343; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r71IWqYJ021044; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r71IWk0W021040; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([209.180.214.225]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51FA8BED.3060103@missouri.edu> References: <622977670ec4e80b844c5c6c978ae6f6.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <51FA8BED.3060103@missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Please remove Perl from ports From: "Chris H" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-stable , freebsd-perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-perl@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: maintainer of a number of perl-related ports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 18:32:33 -0000 Greetings Stephen, and thank you for your thoughtful reply. > On 08/01/2013 10:31 AM, Chris H wrote: > >> So, in the end; why did Perl have to be relocated? Is my only >> recourse at this point to >> # cd / >> # rm -rf . > > When I get into this kind of bad situation, I usually do something > slightly less drastic: > # pkg_delete -a > # find -d /usr/local -type d -exec rmdir {} \; > This last command removes empty directories in /usr/local (it also > produces lots of error messages when it tries to remove non-empty > directories). Then I look through the contents of /usr/local, > especially if there is anything in /usr/local/etc or /usr/local/libexec > where some of my manually changed configuration files reside. And then > I delete any crud left over that I know I don't need. > > After that, I rebuild all the ports from scratch. > > Finally, I do understand why you feel the need to vent, and I don't want > to belittle your feelings of frustration. But I do think everyone is > trying their best. I believe this for the most part, as well. Being, and having been involved in a vast multitude of large projects, over the years. Has given me a keen understanding of all the burdens, one can come to expect. The many, many hours w/o sleep. The seemingly never ending stress that comes from frequently running right up to, or beyond deadlines. Having to greet rabid users with a calm tone, and a smile. As such, and with the nearly 30yrs. using *BSD, I have come to expect quite a bit more, than I have experienced, in recent months. Make no mistake; I have no intention of throwing the baby out w/ the bath water here. But *recent* changes have given me cause for alarm. That the BSD I have come to know, love, and greatly depend on. Is becoming something *quite* different. And if I don't say something, how will those the make the changes know what their user base thinks? How will they know what affects those changes has on them? Frankly, I *still* have no idea why it was _so_ important to change the install structure for Perl on FreeBSD. That the (possible) outcome of such a change, should have little, no concern. I can assure you, I am not an edge case. My first (recent) up(grade|date) experience caused me great pain. I spent much time in the forums helping others. Sharing solutions I have found. In fact, I try to spend as much time, as I can, helping others in forums, with their (FreeBSD related) problems. > I like to tell people that running FreeBSD or Linux > is like owning a souped up sports car - usually it runs really well, but > it often needs a lot of attention. (Windows is like driving a cheap car > that breaks down all the time, but engine is designed in such a way as > to be totally inaccessible with regards to repairs. And Apple is like > driving a BMW - it mostly works well but you pay a lot for it.) Easy does it. You're treading on shaky ground here. ;) I'm rather fond of my 735i, and I couldn't imagine life w/o it. In fact, I'm looking to replace the OBC with a FreeBSD powered version -- assuming the dust from recent events, settles down. :) Best wishes, and thanks again for your reply. --chris > >