From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 19 15:46:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7593F37B401; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D925043FA3; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from edhall@screech.weirdnoise.com) Received: from screech.weirdnoise.com ([64.170.120.246]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HGR009KZ38PZT@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from screech.weirdnoise.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5JMiIDw050273; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:18 -0700 From: Ed Hall In-reply-to: Message from Greg 'groggy' Lehey "of Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:33:32 +0930." <20030619090332.GO93137@wantadilla.lemis.com> To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Message-id: <200306192244.h5JMiIDw050273@screech.weirdnoise.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interview in Byte with Chris Sontag/SCO and FUD relating toBSDsettlement agreement X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:46:04 -0000 "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" wrote: > On Thursday, 19 June 2003 at 1:29:37 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 18 June 2003 at 2:38:34 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > >>> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >>>> Yes, it reminded me of that thread, but wkt was actually referring to > >>>> System III, not 32V. > >>> > >>> I am also pretty certain that it was widely stated at the time > >>> that the UCB's license was the older Western Electric license, > >>> which is the same license which allowed Lyon's to publish his > >>> commentary, legally, including the kernel source code. > >> > >> I suppose you mean John Lions. > > > > Yes. I always spell his name wrong. > > > >> He got into a lot of trouble for that, and I doubt he would have > >> got away with it in the USA. > > > > Really? Can you point to the signed non-disclosure agreement > > that he violated in order to publish his commentary? The U.S. > > was not nearly as anal about this stuff until the 1980's. > > Things have got worse, yes. But certainly there was enough trouble in > the 70s. > > >>> While the university, proper, did obtain a more modern license, that > >>> license could not be retroactive to change the terms of the original > >>> license. > >> > >> Which university are you talking about? UCB or UNSW? > > > > UCB. > > But John was at UNSW. > > > You're in the area, aren't you? > > For some definition of area. UNSW is about 1400 km away. But I'll be > in the area in about 6 weeks time. > > > Why don't you ask to see the original license agreement that Lions > > was under at the time of his commentary's publication. > > I think I'll ask Greg Rose. He might have some interesting insights. > > Greg See: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/licenses.html for some links to a license from that era and some commentary on the Lions case by Dennis Ritchie. I think it clears up a few things... -Ed