From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu May 31 23:38:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B2AFD040E for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 23:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver.pinter@hardenedbsd.org) Received: from mail-yw0-x231.google.com (mail-yw0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 026A38708A for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 23:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver.pinter@hardenedbsd.org) Received: by mail-yw0-x231.google.com with SMTP id r19-v6so4406301ywc.10 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 16:38:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hardenedbsd-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Mu4Cb9xL3LdAPiOWl85QKO0LzQyETFqb2pQndN9kY7E=; b=0Wt7fXUgtmfRRRv0vPcJ6UzYnSKN4a7B+w/AzkF1aqJuoGprYe6xEczpiIEX7+cSrT MzXXblUysZfPbtB81N5xvR4ARW7ontA0yaWKF4lTOzoy33iSojq2nIrP+dVyPZ1KopZo c/iumyfWBTlkxuQoiIjWGfl3YW6K8p61+C8lSXu2ouBOdsd8kLZ+q/if5J1GYolxm8L8 X1V8rRZo/wMt7LkXCcEUI/6B7qVdFXV2l0DwPVsOqsV0NqSPgPVHMyq8vMg44aAV2/7x emdEognItgCAWVc67TLfAzMZgeQKIZYQ8Q0mIuNGBh9aIN3WCPfKlWZza/tk3wzPV8Wd 8tAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Mu4Cb9xL3LdAPiOWl85QKO0LzQyETFqb2pQndN9kY7E=; b=HeN8+9pStjJkws/6E+Izps8rgdrqxaJa63MVD4PRPrgjkBz1JjyovCEJYRsa4hLpUo nlPK1DemG8/bxmPk/CUWPYYs5iXRo2CzTO/YfgQtmVrQCmTMG+vp41puaD3I/MMU2ueO NQBlRvUkaaeQiSoFYkZaC2mYotsBDSkybGIqEPK1WF8PTeFgjY7FO2WAGNQkmwqkvlLK 5kCRZtDy3d0iCVf2uJk/efSF6zBKWRYiIcxIYoIgGFKu6TcZtbo5k9lCKZYIjCLgO8hs 6pfm4iQOlXxdB8PTs1NPwsfacYMIIB26KEUlEpJ3YmrmRJVDSiZB6FocUMHMJ+PP9Crb V6Iw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwfKjcJ+9R08MjboNgABIw8tFETIAURjscRxMrw0ZoAPXKuq7ltP o5XCOONYyCQdFRTGVYn2Yh+2l9XZ0MMs2bFjraAUng== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJfV0NV7sVT3fq+EnaStLCC4UHpevuZ2IHfp1eSsLbnTaQ3bnOsBy7CFYURda9hx98N99Pff8ZCiFEc3LKjudg= X-Received: by 2002:a81:698b:: with SMTP id e133-v6mr4710305ywc.265.1527809910185; Thu, 31 May 2018 16:38:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:db86:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2018 16:38:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20180524160234.GD68014@FreeBSD.org> <201805241610.w4OGAAGY041280@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20180530235156.310870d0@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20180531101643.GV3789@kib.kiev.ua> From: Oliver Pinter Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 01:38:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver To: Pete Wright Cc: Johannes Lundberg , "jmaloney@ixsystems.com" , "deischen@freebsd.org" , Konstantin Belousov , freebsd-current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 23:38:31 -0000 On Friday, June 1, 2018, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 05/31/2018 15:34, Oliver Pinter wrote: > >> On Thursday, May 31, 2018, Johannes Lundberg wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:34 PM Joe Maloney >>> wrote: >>> >>> I personally wish that more drivers, and firmware were separated from >>>> base. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not a committer >>> >> >> >>> If you are not a committer, how and why want to remove drm2 from the >> base >> system? >> > Johannes did not start this threat. A committer, Niclas Zeising, did. > Johannes has stepped up and done a ton of work (along with many others, > some committers and some not) to get modern intel and amd GPU's working > under freebsd. > True. Yes I agree that their work is hard and it's a very big step forward for supporting modern hardwares. And it's required modern desktops, but please don't break the existing ones. This is my only request, probably it was expressed in a harsh way, sorry. > > > this was something that was a gaping hole in freebsd when this work > started a bit over a year ago, and i'm not sure why more committers weren't > embarrassed by this gap nor motivated to chip in. > > regardless - not sure why you'd take his comment out of context :/ the > full quote was: > "I'm not a committer but as I understand there's not pre-commit > integration tests.. If one had that, plus that it would test build kmod > ports against the pre-commit state of head as well, then maybe this would > work." > > not really sure what's controversial about that statement which would > prompt your reply - but i guess people dedicating their spare time to help > create useful things for others shouldn't go unpunished. > > well i guess i broke my promise to ignore this bikeshed :( > > -p > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > >