From owner-dev-commits-doc-all@freebsd.org Tue Dec 15 06:12:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dev-commits-doc-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1574A4A9E4E for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Cw7GH05Q0z4vJd; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@freebsd.org) Received: from weatherwax.trouble.is (weatherwax.trouble.is [IPv6:2a00:1098:82:3a::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "weatherwax.trouble.is", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: philip/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D42882A382; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@freebsd.org) Received: from rincewind.trouble.is (rincewind.trouble.is [95.216.22.234]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client CN "rincewind.trouble.is", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by weatherwax.trouble.is (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Cw7GF6xCTz1ChG; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by rincewind.trouble.is (Postfix, authenticated sender philip) id 4Cw7GC6gQpz5vnD; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:12:35 +0000 (UTC) From: "Philip Paeps" To: "Warner Losh" Cc: "Guangyuan Yang" , doc-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-doc-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: eb28fee24e - handbook: document new commit message mailing lists Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:12:32 +0800 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5752) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <202012140606.0BE66hbk097708@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <9E71CC85-BDBC-46BD-82B8-64F7ED89774E@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-BeenThere: dev-commits-doc-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: "Commit messages for all branches of the doc repository." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:12:39 -0000 On 2020-12-15 13:32:49 (+0800), Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 10:19 PM Philip Paeps > wrote: > >> On 2020-12-14 14:06:43 (+0800), Guangyuan Yang wrote: >>> + Commit message lists: The >>> following >>> + lists are for people interested in seeing the log messages for >>> + changes to various areas of the source tree. They are >>> + Read-Only lists and should not have mail >>> + sent to them. >> >> The dev-commits-* lists are not read-only. All subscribers can post >> to >> them. > > I'd love to change things so they are and all follow ups go to a new > list, > maybe dev-commits-discuss.... I don't think this is practical. It's trivial to set a Reply-To: header to a -discuss list, but Reply-To takes either zero or one address. If the committer being replied to doesn't subscribe to the -discuss list, that's not great. We could add -discuss to the To: line, and reply-all will hit that list too, but unless folks manually remove the read-only list, they'll get a bounce. In my experience, discussions on our commit mailing lists are usually short ... and when they're not short, they should be (and usually/often are) moved to more relevant discussion lists (e.g. arch). I think trying to add -discuss lists will create more problems than it solves. Discussions will become more fragmented (not less) and we'll have a hard time managing people's expectations with respect to what "reply" means in specific mail clients. Philip -- Philip Paeps Senior Reality Engineer Alternative Enterprises