Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:33:53 -0700 (PDT) From: JTSage <wisesage98@yahoo.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm leaving Message-ID: <20010513153353.93111.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10105131454300.24647-100000@alpha.hut.fi>
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Stefan :
>
> "default GUI install" is a subject to discuss. In my oppinion is not a
> good idea because:
>
> 1. The core OS should be simple and simple to install. No GUI for that.
> Make a comparations between Solaris, OpenBSD, Microsoft, Linux RedHat,
> Suse. Time it and think again. As well look to the complexity of GUI
> Install stuff.
Yes, but in a limited sense. I want a simple and fast install, and you want a
simple and fast install. I would bet that most people who hae been using BSD
since the 2.2.x-R and 3.x-R days want a fast install. However, when I started
with 2.2.6 back... uh... well, a while ago... a longer, slower install process
with tons of online, inline documentation would have been great.
>
> 2. The text mode is really cool. Is fast and it's simple. No extra effort.
Very true, but also no intuitive help, no little question mark in the upper
righthand corner (ok, this is the *only* part of M$ I like)
>
> 3. No problems with video cards or VESA generic mode. Keep it simple. For
> what do you need install GUI ??? Comfort ? Help for new users ???
Yes, both, but you have a point. X isn't the most user friendly install, but
with a well defined format for xf86config, sysinstall, with some work, *could*
subvert the need to run the included X scripts
>
> At least these 3 points makes a good point to keep the sysinstall stuff.
> If new users come and want to learn the stuff is simple: Grab a doc and
> read it. Why we should have a "right click" formula as Microsoft or other
> commercial UNIXes does ??? Sysinstall anyway is simple to use more than
> any GUI ...
Yes, they do, but on the other hand, shouldn't the sysinstall be geared twords
both? We already have a expert/custom install, so really, this stuff wouldn't
*have* to be added to that. As far as picking up a doc and reading it, I agree
100%, but where are they? I know now, but when I picked up that 2.2.7 CD i was
clueless.
>
> Take a look and analyze the SUSE installer, RedHAT, Solaris. Is far more
> complex than sysinstall.
>
> Just some ideas,
> stefan
>
Overall, I couldn't be happier with the level of support I got when I started,
however, in an increasing large commuity, with an increasing array of hardware
/ expertise level / number of newbies, i see more and more of the channels of
help flooded with an overwhelming need, and often there arn't enough
knowledgeable people to answer everything, while keeping their jobs and sanity
~Jon
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