From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 21 00:07:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11989 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11918 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:07:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jackv@earthling.net) Received: from eliot.pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-29-91.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.29.91]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id AAA15770; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jack Velte" To: , "John Brann" Cc: Subject: Re: Why we should support Microsoft... Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:01:48 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd8486$52dc5f20$18d0d6cf@eliot.pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- From: Ben Cohen To: John Brann Cc: Jonathan M. Bresler ; jkh@time.cdrom.com ; hasty@rah.star-gate.com ; kline@tera.tera.com ; freebsd@atipa.com ; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Why we should support Microsoft... >> > > > So what is your suggestion on how should the DOJ treat Microsoft business >> > > > pratice? >> > > I recommend that the DOJ just leave Microsoft the hell alone. >> > [snip a lot about microsoft] >> > >> > the DOJ should strive to break microsoft into two companies: >> > an operating system firm and an applications firm. microsoft >> > uses its os to force applcations upon users. microsoft >> > has stolen apps that it failed to write. some of these >> > have been added to the os product package. >> > >> [SNIP] > >How about forcing MS to release their OS source code? Perhaps under >a licence such as the Berkeley one or, I think more realistically, >something more like GPL. > >Ben. the loss of touch editing because of microsoft is a business crime. the MS OS should be nationalized. this is MS's cash cow. all the rest of their software really sucks, but they have enourmous cash to fund Bill Gates aquisition of the world. Microsoft general counsel William Neukom. He argued that Windows does not have a monopoly in operating system software, citing the Unix, O/S 2 and Apple Computer Inc. Not. the OS is a monopoly and should be nationalized. the rest of the company produces mediore application software, about where apple was some 7 years ago. apple couldn't multitask, but Win 95 would rank some 4th or 5th (out of about 7) in ability to multitask. their huge competitive advantage is feeding advertising with the outrageous cost for the operating system. either the enginneers earn $1M/year or they just don't put that much money into it. ask gates how he would valuate that split? it will be tough, because there is no good fiscal answer. any application should run on any OS, not only on the market leaders. it's a natural monopoly and should be nationalized. don't disallow competing products, hope for them. writing in a scheduled down time for the organization would further encourage competition. 10/10/10/n:10/10/10/N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message