From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 05:07:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF8CBEB31F for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x22d.google.com (mail-ua0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 711CD10BF for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id u68so2118404uau.1 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:07:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=oL0FhovY4EycwtrLMXLvXyxCQE4sgueSxFwUJx0+fkM=; b=oKKSkFcmMkZeOjvHRcoBw3XXn+FyF+BDbztWFp1exdZowpubD9hmz8aH9ev4n76J/1 JtL8Khn6SkmbEJ0dcqEqLSnzuw3+YMplaPLEhuwMBv9scYTRwSOGvIj/O3WT5u06QCBd AX83m6D3Q/epur9GNVNsrxif7ZqQUYqCsbDpuJHnGp2SXJbUZtLit2x6sFdxJ4tYtUR8 OiHOidHD8Fw92Y3YQdTDjhDv5JY+4c6LXQAUBveuUWHUxuvAma+4OjPYif7rr5yL50lf H19uHDpusKpMkqEbL/ZnCPU/U38QXttTerH1xr5seWS93qz6/KEwl+ics9+qkwEAgAHP pcDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oL0FhovY4EycwtrLMXLvXyxCQE4sgueSxFwUJx0+fkM=; b=BPxWVmaZSeAPw9OYh03uboZqYyBLlF2gFdqikR34VKv8dbZ/K3Sko5rb74qZNeC2zH VMmt9NECmzjbqVS0j9vgyMkPk5ffkCkKeL7t2sxQuWblMetkogYcsJXlfIvWX2vWMkQc 2DWrK7DeUKU1dJyo1paG8gT+1Xlm7+SYDKFZCEefQhjMmKQ5CtwtyNN1clYD8s+JEu/f 9nia1IL6zGgJo8LLx2TKkR8mSoch/gZjnS02FA6Jfb3jqG7UL57lE1T/qOfj4RUwYB3R aD0LLDS4rg/ybyqSBCGrFIri9fNK/nfsl8Zx/8lLijiIZI2I1z/1CCF3jl7hueo94htf n4Pw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RngwqSOjuXY0otW2P/+e0OIBjWHU58hEqxIQfG4YauzE6l7grW5Q85qDdce51JzbIKruIE4ANiXyFBkbA== X-Received: by 10.159.36.147 with SMTP id 19mr1535292uar.63.1474952858222; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:07:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.103.49.132 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:07:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160927015534.GA1345@lonesome.com> References: <439e20fa-6385-68fb-c97e-24705ebd2f94@nomadlogic.org> <157496f7268.ac5eb5ca278618.8741026532558973404@nextbsd.org> <3FEE7DD3-C408-4398-9F0B-5529B2E7A61F@transactionware.com> <1574b8980bc.106a6e9ef306540.4216158444646545056@nextbsd.org> <20160926192637.33f7921b@azsupport.com> <157683d1ec0.11a09775b76996.945490951353894015@nextbsd.org> <20160927031041.31b6f90a@azsupport.com> <157693fc60a.ebf27bd286215.2625530085502855667@nextbsd.org> <20160927033819.2670e3f1@azsupport.com> <20160927015534.GA1345@lonesome.com> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:07:37 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HkqbdFd5DyAzxx6IYZhk5UaFNbc Message-ID: Subject: Re: gfx-next update: drm-4.8-rc2 tagged in drm-next To: Mark Linimon Cc: Andrei , "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:07:39 -0000 OK. It's time to cut this crap out! This is why people talk about FreeBSD development being a hostile place. This sort of thing is why! If you want to discourage competent people from working on FreeBSD, this is an excellent way. For years the FreeBSD support for X has lagged way behind. This was true even before things like KMS made it much harder for for FreeBSD to track development. The FreeBSD Foundation has had to hire people to move FreeBSD to just a three or four years. Or, in computer years, about a two or three decades. Now someone comes along and puts in the amazing amount of work into moving FreeBSD's X to a point that is very near the state of the art and move the infrastructure it sits on to one that is sufficiently maintainable so that FreeBSD can hope to stay there. The people who did this are not people who have a history of major FreeBSD contributions and have a real desire to help FreeBSD as well as its derivatives. They do the work. They work with FreeBSD on the freebsd-x11@ users to get testing done, and, when it looks good, submit it to Phabricator for review, and ask for review. NextBSD was never mentioned and suddenly someone jumps up and yells "Go away. We don't serve your kind here!". Just because he works on NextBSD. Tell you what... move it to freebsd-advacocy@ where this sort of thing belongs or just go away. Let Matthew get this done. If anyone is banned from the list, it's Andrei. (And I am NOT advocating that.) Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 03:38:19AM +0200, Andrei wrote: > > If you really want to help FreeBSD community, then don't talk bullshit > > and send patches to CURRENT. > > Phabricator is an official project resource. > > It and FreeBSD's Bugzilla instance are the recommended ways to submit > patches for review. > > Postings to mailing lists can be overlooked due to all the noise. > > mcl > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >