From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 21:39:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1F7106564A; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lacombar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B93A8FC12; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhm11 with SMTP id hm11so3479579wib.13 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:39:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xLIa80/xEXNtoRPAQveycdb1XMlbfVOc6RT3fbZM928=; b=hcz+gBHmcs3vAwtiPaOPTwYmNwRbHuCa6gDKQueDz03UXN3wiy38/zDyzqS3LfCjq0 6oBgmfAt2lRmMYNqnukW2WrrR/4x6YO+oaKORy9V29iS5YowDaL7ZNpACXb5ki94rbXL uoY0RcFqhnwLsDnfaNe3Ht84XkOOLCQx3ADSKgUb4LbO83uaU8BBhCPLw+VJ/RbbzIJt xVlQK5ATdazZSEynfP7wqwbKXo5T6B0vRJRlzxPK1LuDnmN8PLEOlZMWpS9d+cg2vQyV zOYnAAdVPqSfmQ3uJLKoFexvemb6+16gugxJ1m5pw5of36QDIUN2XpTfurlql1iEqgli IHAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.91.1 with SMTP id ca1mr15093245wib.8.1343857194611; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.140.155 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:39:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Arnaud Lacombe To: Adrian Chadd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: attilio@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:39:57 -0000 Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get > added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most > recent developer summit weren't @freebsd.org committers - we had > plenty of representation from companies using FreeBSD. > > If you want to participate, just ask a friendly developer who is going > to the developer summit to sponsor you in going. You're pleasant in > person, so I'd have no problem sponsoring you if I am going to an > event. :) > I have a very deep, quasi-philosophical, trouble/problem with that whole idea of sponsor-requirement to attend a such meeting. There is just something which does not feel right about it. From my point of view, this is a matter of common sense, focus is gonna be very narrow and deeply technical. Attendee should go there only if they think they will give positive feedback. As for myself, I would not attend a developer meeting on the fiber-channel over infiniband optimization, but would attend a developer meeting on next-generation mbuf. Now, maybe I'll just push the door of some developer meeting I'd be interested in during next BSDCan, and see what happen :-) The outcome might be interesting to study in a social interaction, prisoner dilemma related, point-of-view. - Arnaud > And/or, work with warner to get improvements into the tree and someone > will sponsor a commit bit for you. > > Perhaps we as developers should more openly publish the results of > developer summits. But as I said, they're not "closed" - they're just > "invite only for non-developers." We're not going to exclude anyone > from coming unless they really ARE going to just sit there and troll. > You're motivated, you're enthusiastic and you want to see things > change for the better. You're also not confrontational in person. I > have no problem with you coming along. > > > Adrian