From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 20 08:01:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD07F16A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D79A43D41 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:01:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0K81MLc063483; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:01:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.200] (pptp.ebs.gr [10.1.1.200]) by ebs.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0K8118S075080; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:01:06 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.1]); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:00:52 +0200 Message-ID: <41EF6534.4090704@ebs.gr> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:00:52 +0200 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian G References: <20050119142601.GA75697@phantom.cris.net> <41EE8E27.1010301@ebs.gr> <41EEB8CE.9030009@iang.org> In-Reply-To: <41EEB8CE.9030009@iang.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] ia64/sparc64 jdk 1.5.0 ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:01:25 -0000 Ian G wrote: > Panagiotis Astithas wrote: > >> "that might consider deploying FreeBSD..." > > > > Given the amount of work in getting Java to run > on FreeBSD, I think it's a bit of a stretch to think > about "maybes." It's wonderful to think of all > these platforms that FreeBSD could run on, and > Sparc machines are nice .... but (!) some poor > muggins has to do the work, and when they are > doing Sparc work, it means they are *not* doing > other work. > > (Thanks for all that work, guys!) I had the same reservations about other platform support and that is why I said I am "not sure either should be high-priority items". But then I considered that it is other people's time and effort we are talking about, so who am I to tell them what to do :-) > Also, those very same institutions > (banks mostly) will quite happily buy another > commodity PC if they want to play around with > (Java on) FreeBSD. The cost of the management of > an OS on a commodity PC is well in excess of the > value of the PC, for a bank. It's IMHO a mistake > to think that old hardware has anything but > negative cost associated with it, banks would > be burning up money just even thinking about > putting another OS on it for fun.... > > All IMHO! > > iang > The organizations I had in mind were mostly from the academic and ISP world. Publicly funded universities in particular have large deployments of Sun hardware from the 90's and are always on a tight budget, at least here in Greece. They are also large adopters of grids and grid-like infrastructure for scientific reasearch (not necessarily IT-related), so they seem like a good fit. The best new though is that quite a few of them are consolidating their infrastructure on FreeBSD. For deployment in banks I agree with you. Not to mention that their staff here have this saying, that "nobody got fired for buying IBM" :-) Cheers, Panagiotis