From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 7 21:42:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFF637B416 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (contactdish.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB85gMx19091; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 06:42:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <010601c17fab$1cd2b270$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Konstantinos Konstantinidis" , , "Brad Knowles" References: <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk><000b01c17f42$c23ab140$0a0 0000a@atkielski.com><3C110351.4748B559@duth.gr><005001c17f6c$e60c0ef0$ 0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15377.17350.796336.801464@guru.mired.org> <006901c17f70$19a2f820$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C11560B.A035DEF3@duth.gr> <009401c17f9c$5bad3bf0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Subject: Re: A breath of fresh air.. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 06:42:22 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad writes: > Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Have you > ever heard of this thing called "Requirements > Determination"? I said "a general recommendation." That means a recommendation that applies to everyone generally, when differentiation among individual cases is not possible or practical. In this general case, there is no "requirements determination" because individual cases cannot be considered. Therefore, the logical choice is the most common choice, and for a PC desktop, that is Windows. > Once I get the answers to those questions ... What if you don't get answers to those questions, but must make a recommendation anyway? > What completely escapes me is why you find it > so extremely important to try to force-fit everyone > into precisely the same mold? You mean the Linux mold, or the FreeBSD mold? > The majority of holes out there may well be round, > but there are some of us that are square pegs, > or triangular or even odder shaped, and yet you > are still here preaching your gospel that you must > force us all into the same round holes. No, I am simply addressing the general case. > I submit that the majority of geeks on this mailing > list will probably use a fairly similar system for > helping people to find the right answer to their > questions, as I have detailed above. They may not have the luxury of answers to all those questions. > Moreover, even if they are all FreeBSD zealots > and push their views with frothy vigour, it is not > your responsibility to save the world from them. Nothing forbids me from making the attempt. > Which is precisely what you're doing -- Windows > Uber Alles. [0] No. As a general rule, on the desktop, Windows is the logical choice, with the Mac coming in as a rather distant second. UNIX is not statistically significant. For servers, the choice is more difficult, as no OS is indisputably predominant. Without more information, it is difficult to choose between Windows or UNIX, although the Mac is pretty much out of the running, as is Novell, IMO. Mainframe servers are usually not worthy of consideration, either, for the general case. > Why? Just exactly who is the "average user" ... An average user is someone representative of the majority of desktop users. > ... and how much do they really know about their > true needs and what will serve them best? They don't need the best, they need something that is good enough. Moreover, they need something that is both good enough and presents a low risk. For the desktop, and for an average user generally, Windows is the best choice. > Your hammer is Windows (and everything else Microsoft). What other Microsoft products have I mentioned? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message