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Date:      Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:11:22 +0100
From:      Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>
To:        Bob Johnson <bobj@atlantic.net>, Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu>, Robert Watson <robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, audit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Portmapper enabled, IPv6 circumvents FW
Message-ID:  <v0422080fb501c20b6d01@[194.78.234.186]>
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000324195712.009ab100@rio.atlantic.net>
References:  <v0421010fb5014bb01bc1@[128.113.24.47]> <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1000324083722.38246A-100000@fledge.watson.org> <v0421010fb5014bb01bc1@[128.113.24.47]> <3.0.6.32.20000324195712.009ab100@rio.atlantic.net>

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At 7:57 PM -0500 2000/3/24, Bob Johnson wrote:

>  So, what _I_ would like to see (if something more elaborate is
>  not feasible) is an install process that includes two basic
>  choices: (1) set up a workstation, or (2) set up a server.

	I disagree.  When you set up a server, it's usually for a 
particular service.  So, an ftp server doesn't need sendmail, or much 
of anything else.  Likewise, a mail server doesn't need ftp, or much 
of anything else.

	I think the "default to all services turned off, then allow the 
admin to turn on certain selected services" is the best overall way 
to go.  There's just no way we can successfully second-guess what 
someone is going to want to do with these boxes when they set them 
up, and there's no sense in us trying to do so.

>  I'd move this discussion to another list, but I'm not sure
>  where it belongs.  I'm pretty sure it no longer fits audit.

	Since we're talking about the overall security posture of the OS, 
if there were a freebsd-security list, than that would probably be 
it.  However, I don't know of such a list that exists, and I think 
this is probably the next closest thing.

	If I'm wrong, I hope that someone will be kind enough to provide 
the correct information.

--
   These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
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