From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 09:13:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B6C16A420 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from mail.lovett.com (foo.lovett.com [67.134.38.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769BD13C478 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from inferno.canal.lovett.com ([172.16.32.23]:57063) by mail.lovett.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J2NeJ-000MhO-G5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:13:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> From: Ade Lovett To: Aryeh M. Friedman In-Reply-To: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:13:03 -0800 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: ade@lovett.com Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:13:04 -0000 [admin note: cut down on ridiculous crossposting] On Dec 11, 2007, at 21:37 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Number of responses: roughly 30 I just wanted to pick up on this particular number. Your survey went to (at least) freebsd-ports, freebsd-current, freebsd- stable, and freebsd-questions. Judging by the original cc's on this message, it would appear that freebsd-chat and freebsd-hackers were also somehow involved, but not being subscribed to those lists, I wouldn't know. Now, would you care to guess at the number of subscribers on those lists? Hint, total number is in the thousands. Let's, for the sake of argument, call it 3,000. (It is, of course, much higher) But, given this finger-in-the-air readership number, by your own admission, you have hit exactly 1% of a self-selected group (by virtue of being subscribed to the lists in question). Let's not even mention the bazillions (technical term) of FreeBSD consumers that don't subscribe to any list. And from this, you extrapolate new concepts which conveniently involve others doing the heavy lifting. I'm done being nice with you. Get a grip. Show some code. Heck, show some *prototypes* of code. But don't hide behind "I don't want my views to color things" when it is patently obvious to anyone at or above the sentient level of a single celled organism that you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The cast-off line at this point would be to point you in the direction of . Only, in this case, I wouldn't wish that on my penguin-orientated friends. -aDe