From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 5 00:16:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA05772 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 00:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 668ED1D46 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 00:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id ik5so12235716vcb.16 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 16:15:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cFfRPJqg+FMuZ50aR7s412o21KcpA0svq5FqH4ZOFD0=; b=XZ3rSZisNOuNCDiwOvtNQ9vhi8GxAVGi8Nin3Cznj8QYPK4DXs4xOw6M/tYL10+Lf8 3j50DWrrmQuOGEIjiJ7JvLJEUxwJl3VDerqOjmW6gcdiWB+xQ5nAhNcGCLHaFgxUfmgf oxIhpjb0qPpGGss8Y4eS7+7QmJdeeO5PkpI+u2bFM3tTeSxo6dRuRWDuD+qoiIq/Z4e3 X89zqB7tP80VQW2kEV/jtcUkxtt+ni2Lu8xr/7UId2fu+RWUz4jpg+1Ma7Xs4HElVpLO 8GdPcxh+xPU+5iUVq5O61Bl7kAX4eRbhmum40ihVe7HuZ1pHU1wdXdgzJm4QDaj/E8cC W30g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkciJE8LC+WgFQpQBke3wbTpSrq8NA9w/j0FSoFok7ZTrb6bpyIZgGY3l4FFPaVF9NTaGKD MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.173.208 with SMTP id bm16mr16225125vdc.14.1386202554140; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 16:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.212.227 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 16:15:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 16:15:54 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: BIND chroot environment in 10-RELEASE From: Lee Brown To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 00:16:01 -0000 Just a regular admin... Personally I would prefer to NOT have python in base, hidden or otherwise. I don't see BIND as being part of base anyway. The LWR is sufficient for base. BIND is a service for other machines on the network. Just like I wouldn't want apache to be in base. For example I'm installing FreeBSD on a laptop. Do I really need BIND? Not really. However when I build a server for a LAN, then I want to bring in BIND, git, apache, etc... If I have a one time migration of BIND in my migration from 9 to 10, so be it. I'm used to having to do *some* work on a major number upgrade after all. I'm happy to jail it and use the port vanilla. I do agree this could have been managed better though. This is not the level of engineering I am used to from FreeBSD. Having said that, the level of engineering is, IMHO, far superior to most other OSs I've worked with. Thanks to all (past, present and future) who contribute to the effort.