From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 27 16:46:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC712C8169 for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 16:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd42.google.com (mail-io1-xd42.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49XGtg5rsFz3Sj9 for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 16:46:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd42.google.com with SMTP id y5so3910144iob.12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 09:46:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DDdC08EJa72qUgHhpPrBGBXVP9ZCrBNDkAhjGWDlz40=; b=WhFBn7XEi/BOtbyrXc7aO9E7FiJkeaQGzgQXm2N7Bw5zgb8+D185rSNMABF3nQA2qw vC+6PZHsjKuhMrH48SSae2ttfz2YaBUaXWvq6DlpPzRTQUitGcaDw/bE1mDuFxxUI8mP sYiOwof/8fNlXZ7GduGtnNPOcoE8ReCEtNho/RSzPGc8COgIaD/synExmpwM4+T4tI8y wFXBibDl9mKGPdv9NYHId3sWvg0BDMmXWq/h/RDxW94NYGCIDHQlVS7XQEQsM8PS4Iva gKFB6BZDK0O/0WDYwLll7ImWT/hOxt6RhXFdd27FLs4iuQ2ZJaoB7sPjXcCOSwdiCdZO yL+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DDdC08EJa72qUgHhpPrBGBXVP9ZCrBNDkAhjGWDlz40=; b=N3G8/M5SnUh+Za2swPOPzJ+MpuRykoOWXM1LISmaGYNwJTHn5VOdi0+GgaEvbLVdDy 95ffO+Bn5S3KNGBVfc1Y+QB+MhKyDMe5ubyTgMs6pa8dfMg0gcPDWCtmfZOJCmmDjV8t LdOPL37wkENqNUaEm6MHLO8y1ark8Nt9cpb9yBbtu03w8Q7gX+PusjH9oNpGtc6ZlCKU eq/r4GQ2KTTKekkONZ+Gm7SpwVO1oOhKgWuLEr0pwvZUj+TBpytgxHGVBaF+RdMsTd2D 5wwxbMAfIvKIZfUH0T6KFf2o9qg0R/JC5+B0Gy0f9pYdWU2TdK69mip3I69T+sLMhn7f F80Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5313m5VqOYrfYu3sD/2Z690VE2jEbMF+5OZwszHVSEPeY6gagavG 6IO7CSM48zBe57V131v1ly6roFZumdjqEnyn8574MdgD X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzUNpyCqjiip8Bnxc9mjcfBQe8nCxbLjJnO1k/AWdwSe9pVPYK6unMDhNUH2sh7bKFxP33x7NY1zhH2A8Ppe38= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:2815:: with SMTP id d21mr13805795ioe.174.1590597979002; Wed, 27 May 2020 09:46:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200527141409.5469f1a3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 12:46:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert To: Brandon helsley Cc: Ottavio Caruso , Polytropon , Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49XGtg5rsFz3Sj9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=WhFBn7XE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.35 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.34)[-0.343]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.014]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d42:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yahoo.com,edvax.de,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 16:46:20 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Brandon helsley < brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > Dead as in without a maintainer or as in completely broken? > If the second work with the current maintainer if the first just take maintainership and if both fix it and take maintainership > Sent from Outlook Mobile > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:43:38 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:41 PM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Ok I'll check it out and get back to you. Btw there's a broken port called > freetnet. Can it be rescued? How do you go about fixing a broken port? > > > Sort answer: By any means necessary > Long answer: Figure out where to get the latest version of the source code > and do what is needed to bring it up to date and submit the port while > saying your taking maintainership (make sure it really is dead first by > attempting to contact the old maintainer first) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:38:56 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:35 PM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > So if I wanted to port Bote Mail from i2p I would just get the source code > and refer to their licensing on their website and contact them for clarity? > > > You should also read the semi official statement on what is compatible and > what isn't legally (I am not going to summerize it because that is where > the flamewar on licensing often starts): > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/bsdl-gpl/index.html > > > > Sent from Outlook Mobile > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:07:29 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:02 PM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I'll take that to mean that I can sign up with as little as I know. I'll > definitely be very quick to learn. How can I get started? > > > Step 1: Find some program that you think should be widely available to the > FreeBSD community > Step 2: Make sure it legally compatible with FreeBSD and it's licensing > model (I am not going to get into how to this to avoid starting a flame war) > Step 3: Get the source code for the program > Step 4: Using hand compiling (or how ever it wants to be built) get it to > compile/install cleanly including noting all the other ports it depends on > Step 5: Use the port system to automate step 4 > Step 6: Submit it to the bug tracking system as a new port so as to mark > it ready for a committer to review and commit it > Step 7: Make any changes the committer suggests > Step 8: Committer commits it and it is now officially a port > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:57:30 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:53 AM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Good to know, then I'll take it up to learn the basics. And to be a > committer? Does that require skills? > > > 1. The reason I suggested some of the things I have written but not made > into ports yet is I wrote them on FreeBSD so there is little or no > programming required to make them work as port (if there is then I did my > job wrong) and thus you can learn porting from the ground up and then move > to harder things that require programming > > 2. Being a committer is mostly being trusted by other committers to not > things up when you put it in the master repository. Mostly this > comes from maintaining a lot of ports and showing superior knowledge of the > porting system along with being suitably risk adverse when updating the > master repo. > > > > Sent from Outlook Mobile > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:48:39 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:36 AM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > How much experience is necessarry? > I don't know anything about computers but got freebsd as a project to > learn as much as possible. If I were to get involved does "teaching the > ropes" at all possibly include learning other things like networking and > possibly and hopefully learning how to port software? > > > A lot of times (but by far from all the time) porting requires at least > basic programming skills since you often need to find parts of the code > that are incompatible with FreeBSD and make them compatible (you then > include a patch for the work in the port files). > > > > > Sent from Outlook Mobile > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:33:10 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:39 AM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > What about port maintainership. Or port mentee? What Is it exactly. Good > learning experience? > > > Yes/no/maybe is it worth and is it a good learning experience. > > A port maintainer as Mathew said is resonible for keeping a port in good > working order visa vie FreeBSD. A good example is when I took over > maintainership of devel/aegis it was to update to the latest released > version (the original author passed away in 2014 and no one has picked up > the ball to make new versions since despite a small group of hardcore users > [including my self]) and all was good then when FreeBSD started to phase > out the preference for GCC I had to make some patches to make it work with > LLVM, etc. > > Taking over a dead port is likely not as good of an learning experience as > making and maintaining a new one. Contact me privately I have some ideas > for stuff that can and should be ports that I haven't had time for (mostly > side projects relating to PetiteCloud that I can maintain via aegis but not > via ports due to not making the translation scripts completely yet) > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org