From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 11 20:25:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F89937B404 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from topperwein (topperwein [192.168.168.10]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3C3Pa314192 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:25:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:25:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: who's been smoking crack in freebsd land now ? In-Reply-To: <200204111408.AAA16167@caligula.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20020411232106.B13867-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Darren Reed wrote: > In some mail from Brian T.Schellenberger, sie said: > > > > > > Geez, calm down. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. > > > > Also, isn't the warning pretty self-explanatory? > > No, it isn't. > > > "man ioctl" shows that sys/ioctl.h is expected to be used in userland. > > Yes. > > Last I checked, is also expected to be used by the kernel. > > Nearly all of is expected to be included in userland programs > as well as the kernel. Or is FreeBSD going to have a completely different > /usr/include/sys for user programs and the kernel just in case there is > anybody out there that cares about portability that FreeBSD hasn't fucked > over yet ? FYI: this change was made *five* *years* ago. I'm not sure what the rationale was, but it certainly wasn't a recent "on a lark" change. FWIW, the one Linux driver I wrote doesn't include either--it uses . FWIW, it's an LKM. This non-committer will sit down and shut up now. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message