From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 3 14:10:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE09DFEB for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 759C720AB for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ey11so2762833wid.7 for ; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:10:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Kh8rSc+0ToetHoMCBkXIc8oCp+Kx/rhqfgQzwwuvbg=; b=LCsCqSPn20dWug11VLakEGgHl0yYF7qb5Jk10urLbm9240eM/QRju1vWIx5BDq24EX Pcv7yGh/kovfLf1yjveHUXaVeF/xcNXCpl92vwAJjTMCtfukjmde6RNKeUAGnZ3PXZvR 891uLICF5WtpOp646qUkwX7HmrQebak2TuwzxU2ivcJkTT0MO2XMbgqGSWawLG/syv8z d2oZ/4QPfz/pvFf4zr+93DmztFdEQF7Ll2in8CM6kupUhhztZ2+dUKzi+nZSMM2iY0td 0UFJhQSsZ6FHeCA92Wu9Gh7cMWqiZ7UUsI3DOU4+keVyD7Nt7YJzXp3UhiGpfOsyIryQ 5AYw== X-Received: by 10.194.239.40 with SMTP id vp8mr189861wjc.45.1383487833750; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hv5sm5346431wib.2.2013.11.03.06.10.32 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:10:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:10:31 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Binary Packages now available for pkgng Message-ID: <20131103141031.5f55e8c2@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <5274EFD6.6030504@FreeBSD.org> References: <5271BC11.1010303@FreeBSD.org> <5272D0DE.4080209@FreeBSD.org> <52745B7F.2080608@vangyzen.net> <5274B947.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <1680682c-dc77-4ee3-8e59-ee7356f307a3@email.android.com> <5274D90D.8040508@FreeBSD.org> <20131102113750.GG2951@home.opsec.eu> <5274EFD6.6030504@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 14:10:35 -0000 On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:28:06 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > > Which is not always true, especially in heavily firewalled > > environments. > > I feel no obligation to do anything to encourage people that > deliberately break the DNS. They've made their bed, and now they have > to lie in it. In other words, one more reason to choose Linux. You can only afford to say "no soup for you" if you're the only soup-nazi in town. I think there's an important distinction between broken dns and local dns. If someone wants to provide controlled web access through a web cache without giving general internet access then I don't see why they shouldn't. This doesn't affect admins running servers, it affect people trying to install FreeBSD on the locked-down part of the network - typically the desktop machines of developers. It also seems to be a fundamentally bad idea for a client that knows it's connected to a proxy to be choosing the server in the first place.