From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 02:03:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C96716A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 02:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk (hannibal.servitor.co.uk [195.188.15.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1925E43D48 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 02:03:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@hannibal.servitor.co.uk) Received: from paul by hannibal.servitor.co.uk with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AeX0v-000GXh-8A; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:03:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:03:41 +0000 From: Paul Robinson To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20040108100341.GF27903@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <79B4EAB03B5E4649A740A8C1452F606435AF1B@y6001a.umb.corp.umb.com> <3FFAF1D4.4000709@iconoplex.co.uk> <3FFB4499.3050301@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: Paul Robinson cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:03:43 -0000 On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 05:23:30PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > I would add that I've been running almost exclusively on 5.x > for over a year now (except for one machine which I have not > rebooted in over a year...). There have been some *very* > painful transitions at various times, but once I get past > the transitions the system has been quite stable. (fwiw, > in my case, I am only running on desktop systems). Well, what you've told me there is: - 5.x is a pain in the arse to make the transition to - You're not running FBSD in the same environment I am - But for you that's all OK, and I should agree :-) Which doesn't get us much further down the road, but thanks for the input. I have two boxes here that need to go into a co-lo tomorrow, and therefore need to be installed today. 5.2-RC2 does seem to be holding out better than expected now I've had it up for a week or so on a dev machine. I'm tempted to whirl it out on these boxes, but if they die I'm screwed. Dunno. I'm not sure if I can trust you, Des, and others when it's my cahunas on the line. > So, once we stop making major API/ABI changes and the branch > is truly stable (with a 6.x branch for new cutting-edge > developments), I personally am quite confident that 5.x will > be a stable, production-quality system. And there are a > number of features in 5.x that I think are tremendous > advantages -- especially for boxes in a production setting. It might be worth somebody getting those written up and sent out to -advocacy to start the ball rolling, as per another mail somewhere in this monstrous thread. > My guess is you're going to have a large bar tab at the next > BSDcon... Certainly I hope so! I've run tabs at the bar at conferences before, and I'm sure I'll do it again... -- Paul Robinson