From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 22:24:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CB616A41F for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:24:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEE643D45 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:24:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:4342 helo=[192.168.1.33]) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1E995f-0000Z2-Of; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:23:55 -0500 Message-ID: <4310E823.3070609@goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:24:35 -0400 From: "J. T. Farmer" Organization: GoldSword Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vlad GALU References: <4310CDFD.3070801@goldsword.com> <79722fad0508271417389b025e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <79722fad0508271417389b025e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ICH6 ID'd correctly now, but breaks in 5.4-STABLE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:24:03 -0000 Vlad GALU wrote: >On 8/27/05, J. T. Farmer wrote: >[snip] > > It did the job for me. jhb commited the patch a couple of weeks >after I submitted the PR. Don't blame either him or me for things >going downhill, I assume that there were at least a few people running >with similar configurations, which didn't complain after the commit. I >now run RELENG_6 on the notebook, but for other reasons. > Which patch? I have a 5.4-Stable system here cvsup'ed as of the 17th. It does not have the mkIII patches in it. Or at least it doesn't have all the patch kit. Are you talking about the ICH6 id patch? The point I'm TRYING to get across, is that the problem is deeper than just one SATA controller. There are core problems with the 5.4-RELEASE and the 5.4-STABLE ata support. Soren has thrown his hands up and said that he will only support & help after the mkIII patches are installed. In a way, that's understandable. He has a lot of his plate. But when you make yourself indispensable to such a key item, when it breaks, you're sitting in the middle of the bullseye. At to complaining, I've been complaining here about the fact that 5.4R and 5.4-Stable are both broken for such mundane controllers as the Via 8235 PATA chipset. Yes, I can try the mkIII patches. But I _was_ about to pitch FreeBSD/KDE/etc. as an easy to install kit for some local offices to get off Windows. Since I can't tell them to just install 5.4-Release CD's (the install kernel cannot reliably write to the disk to newfs it...) I can't recommend it. The message than I'm getting is that FreeBSD has become a toy only for those who are willing to devote significant time to it. No one is interested in making a pleasant experience for someone who doesn't want to spend hours/days/weeks trying to find out why vanilla hardware, that is listed as supported, does not work. And that is the saddest part. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Owner & CTO GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com 865-691-6498 Knoxville TN Consulting, Design, & Development of Networks & Software