From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 8 20:36:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA26078 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26072 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@quickweb.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA08220; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:37:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19971208233749.58568@vmunix.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:37:49 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: John-Mark Gurney Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [hackers:] Architectural advice needed References: <199712082204.OAA23754@implode.root.com> <348C78C4.6F5992E1@whistle.com> <19971208204221.23659@vmunix.com> <19971208194209.62841@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19971208194209.62841@hydrogen.nike.efn.org>; from John-Mark Gurney on Mon, Dec 08, 1997 at 07:42:09PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 08, 1997 at 07:42:09PM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Mark Mayo scribbled this message on Dec 8: > > One thing that would have really helped us out that I now see in the > > win95/Mac netscape and mickeysoft conferencing tools is the > > "blackboard" thing - you can scribble and write on a blackboard > > that is shared by all members of the conference. I don't think this is > > present in the Unix version of Netscape 4.0 though... Bummer. > > why not use sdr, whiteboard, and vat?? I've recieved quite good > resposne at home (over a 28.8k) from Luigi (in Europe) using GSM on > vat (I could hear him type :) )... but the other way was to overloaded > for me to chat with him... Hmm. I went searching for these and they're all in the /usr/ports/mbone directory.. I've never tried mbone stuff before, so I didn't know about them! :-) Am I getting this right? 1. vat - audio conferencing 2. vic - video conferencing 3. wb - the shared whiteboard thing (cool!) 4. sdr - a session thing, I'm assuming like a "directory" of user on the mbone 5. imm - send images and stuff mbone style Wow. That's everthing one could hope for! It would be neat to tie them all into one package/application (but that sort of defeats the Unix philosophy..). Stupid mbone question: Can anyone with a TCP/IP (i.e. PPP) connection "get on" the mbone?? I'm a bit confused as to what this mbone thing is exactly. I've seen big maps of "The Mbone", where the little red lines don't come anywhere near where I live.. :-) This multicast stuff seems quite neat. I'm going to do some research - right now it's just buzzword overload! If I can't be part of the multicast mbone, can I at least use the above tools "point to point"? Anyways, as i mentioned on another post, if no-one has already done it, I'm going to create a FreeBSD Conferencing Tools web page and give overviews of all the tools, technology, and so on so the whole thing isn't so overwhelming for new users :-) -Mark P.S. Damn it's hard to concentrate on exams now.. it's like I've walked into a whole new world!!! > > I'm looking at moving into the university dorms, and once I do, then > I can have all the fun of multicast... > > > One thing is for certain, conferencing tools will almost certainly > > represent a pretty big market in the years to come. Especially once we > > start getting ADSL and cable modem rollouts so you can have an audio/video > > link happening. The FreeBSD project, IMHO, is a shining example of what > > can be accomplished through the Net, and the success is remarkable given > > the relatively primitive tools used! > > yep... once the higher speed connections come out.. then we can use > the Bt848 and a camera for video conferencing.. :) > > > If it doesn't already exist, an X conferencing tool certainly seems like > > a neat program "waiting to be created" by some spirited programmer > > out there! :-) > > yep, they all pretty much exist... the ones that don't exist are the > ones that don't require X... :( > > -- > John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 > Cu Networking > > Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU