From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 14:06:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFE91065670 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5B58FC14 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9EFC15C24 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:19:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F030AB4.8090605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:03:32 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> In-Reply-To: <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:06:57 -0000 On 01/03/12 22:12, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >> New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of >> things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under >> the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start >> immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. > > When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are > something that some "authority" give or steal. > > Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like > "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically > represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not > considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to > go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has > half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to > arise and walk will not be a right for him. > > Let's avoid talking about non trivial tasks like hacking a > kernel; for example, to copy or move a file you are free to > choose between drag and drop with your mouse in a graphical file > manager and open a console and use the command line, even in MS > Windows. My wife, in case Finder.app crash, she reboot the > machine. She ignores if an usb memory is filled up with hidden > files used by Mac OS X; she ignores that files copied from a fat > file system have executable flag on so she could resend an > infected jpeg in an email to a MS Windows user customer. > > Furthermore she is not a good example of the average final user, > because the machine for her (she is a graphical designer) is a > tool, not a toy. > > The question is which immoral entity is stealing her rights? That is the point after all. Rights are in the eye of the beholder... I personally prefer the ability to accomplish what I want with a stable system. Others may not. To do either requires a relinquishment of some other rights, but I would like to see less rights having to be relinquished in order to achieve my own freedom, and I work towards that for myself and others. If less rights had to be relinquished, others may rally to this flag as well. > In an emacs mailing list I told Stallman that to teach people to > be free is a contradiction. He called me "defeatist". >