From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 11 03:59:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA03501 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03496 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exalt.x.org by expo.x.org id AA07640; Thu, 11 Apr 96 06:58:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by exalt.x.org id GAA04390; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:58:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199604111058.GAA04390@exalt.x.org> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DVORAK keyboard drivers In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:11:51 EST. <199604110811.KAA04287@uriah.heep.sax.de> Organization: X Consortium Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:58:33 EST From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In the mean time, editing your XF86Config file is the solution. > > Is that such a difficult concept? > > Yes. It's unacceptable. Humbug. You're just being stubborn. If you're going to assert that trivial config file edits are unacceptable then you're opening the door for a whole new class of complaints. For example, the ldconfig in /etc/rc is wrong for me, and I had to edit it -- unacceptable. The gateway config in /etc/sysconfig is wrong for me and I had to edit it -- unacceptable. The system didn't have me in /etc/passwd when I loaded it, and I had to edit it -- unacceptable. Is that what you want? No, I didn't think so. >The IMHO only practical way is to provide an > upgrade tool that can create Xkb maps from whatever input data we > already have. XKB has a tool that creates keymaps from input data. The tool is portable across all platforms that X runs on, and the input data is extensible. I think you should learn how to use the tools that exist before telling me that more tools need to be written. But if you want to stick to that line, feel free to write a new tool. > (This is in no way to blame you for this, but that > doesn't make your attitude ``Use vi to edit your XF86Config'' more > acceptable for our users.) I'm one of your users, I don't find it unacceptable. I think you need to find a different crusade. I don't buy this crap about editing your XF86Config being too hard. Most people have to edit it anyway after they get their modelines figured out anyway. One more edit for the keyboard isn't going to hurt them. XKB is now part of the X Consortium implementation. If you want to stick your head in the sand, use -xkb or XkbDisable. I suppose you're going to tell me that the edits to do this are unacceptable too, eh? If you don't want to do even that then stick with R6. -- Kaleb "getting grumpier" KEITHLEY