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Date:      Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:13:12 -0500
From:      "Thomas M. Sommers" <tms2@mail.ptd.net>
To:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people"and"dangers to  BSD"]
Message-ID:  <38E409B8.521D5015@mail.ptd.net>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.10003301855280.745-100000@acp.swbell.net>

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Jay Nelson wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Thomas M. Sommers wrote:
> 
> >Jay Nelson wrote:
> >>
> >> With greater odds, Victor Charlie cleaned our collective clock.
> >
> >They didn't clean our clocks. After Tet '68 they were done as an
> >effective fighting force. What they and their friends and allies did do
> >was make the cost to us of winning higher than we were willing to pay.
> >The results on the ground may be the same as if we had had our clocks
> >cleaned, but the lessons learned are very different.
> 
> I suspect you're right. Fleeing the top of the embassy leaving many
> behind indicates a high cost. I suspect the differences don't mean
> much to Charlie. From '68 to 75, their ineffectiveness accomplished
> the goal. Do you see any differences in today's US govt than then?

After Tet, the NVA took over the war. I believe they were not displeased
that the VC took such a beating. From '72 it was mostly a conventional
war. An Loc and Quang Tri were conventional battles. Saigon fell to a
tank column.

As I said, I agree that as far as results go, it does not matter whether
we lost or quit, but that difference does matter when you try to draw
lessons from the war. Neither the VC nor the NVA beat us on the
battlefield. If we had wanted to, we could have stayed indefinitely.


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