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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e334ad9ed6bb74686a562a9356b52e6d; Mon, 01 Dec 2025 07:34:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 15.0-RELEASE timeline Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2025 23:34:03 -0800 References: <07C4BD2A-8AD7-4364-A6DF-D3AB1D3E296D@yahoo.com> <804482BA-B05F-4BEE-BB9E-E220FBB38346@yahoo.com> <1C737426-3C74-4240-8A37-47552F6550E2@yahoo.com> To: Dennis Clarke , FreeBSD Current In-Reply-To: <1C737426-3C74-4240-8A37-47552F6550E2@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <78AED058-F118-4096-B823-F45EFAE5F5C3@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.84 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.16)[0.155]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.30:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.30:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dKbJC2JH2z3M7N On Nov 30, 2025, at 22:28, Mark Millard wrote: > On Nov 30, 2025, at 22:20, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Nov 30, 2025, at 22:05, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> Dennis Clarke wrote on >>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2025 04:15:42 UTC : >>>>=20 >>>> Just looking at : >>>>=20 >>>> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/schedule/ >>>>=20 >>>> Which says 15.0 EoL 30 September 2026 ? Maybe I do not understand = what >>>> that means. To be actually released with some announcement in a few = days >>>> and then dead in nine or ten months? >>>>=20 >>>> There is no such EoL entry on this page for 14.0-RELEASE : >>>>=20 >>>> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/schedule/ >>>>=20 >>>> Just seems to be a very short life span for 15.0-RELEASE. >>>=20 >>> See the announcement from back in February: >>>=20 >>> = https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2015-February/001624.= html >=20 > I found what I should have referenced: >=20 > = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-announce/2024-July/000143.html >=20 >> https://www.freebsd.org/security/ >>=20 >> has apparently not been updated: its link is to something >> from 2015. >>=20 >>=20 >> So I'll reference: https://www.freebsd.org/releng/ >>=20 >> It reports: >>=20 >> Date Event >> December 2025 FreeBSD 15.0 >> March 2026 FreeBSD 14.4 >> June 2026 FreeBSD 15.1 >> September 2026 FreeBSD 14.5 >> December 2026 FreeBSD 15.2 >> March 2027 FreeBSD 14.6 >> June 2027 FreeBSD 15.3 >> December 2027 FreeBSD 16.0 An illustration of the schedule out to 17.0 is at: = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/navigating-freebsds-new-quarterly-and-b= iennial-release-schedule.94183/ If accurate in how it shows overlaps, there would be a period with all the following active: 14.6 15.3 15.4 16.0 16.1 main (2028-Jun) and a later period with: 14.6 15.4 15.5 16.0 16.1 main (2028-Sep) Hopefully there will be more aarch64 port-package builder machines active by then. With quarterly and latest for all but main and with armv7 suspended, that would be 11 combinations to cover during those periods. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com