From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Nov 22 20:06:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E20DF44F3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52CDE67BDE for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id u42so24419861ioi.9 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:06:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=429+UZHyExkCuAsO1vqz+GAbsJdTDXvBCE4ZBDdAsuw=; b=aRbcHDTawbvT1+JSU1+x1r+DGfHzA9AzNezOCaU1t+mmgYfle/UwME941hjPrbRREw BYkjAsWAyvMLSEJbAhoLarLH9w0IHsLF4gFhKsokvA0rSYQYoDBgu7oz954d2DfH4CDI guBCaNbvQg/l6WpuHa/7gcHYYpsghJvQnDCJpkKl+FKhbyMgG+uVsXSDEHaBD+3Am8hW VWvEjGNYX61DriQcY+LZ78srorY6ndXImfseV5X4/vsd5TJsOfAJ7sfcdfJhUrez4Mkd 9BUOeFbW9l0c8lmwT/Zhv1rtXU8ZCgHRWBO7EckUqJC0oxa5gXPMahob57oyEOpaaW4N tokA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=429+UZHyExkCuAsO1vqz+GAbsJdTDXvBCE4ZBDdAsuw=; b=sqdJLGbhvioZT5lbP5XZVp88nL58LPUhS/yat3CJru6bfcEjhyB6lGHBwLQiONp0wz zO4jvAvRy6pagCerTN37jH3pglePUIjbOj8MCxrx6qCVQLq++xgeHH9Hj8JGC8GQU6A2 ksrsis+HgJRDQ/bQIK7SLvR7yGhG14B2wuODtHACbKYdN6jadBMEKMslns4pRO/jDXSb pJ/b2kLC61cZqGWllO7adyImDm+pz1wfRcu4Opx6Zk6FoBs748VVjUMnpPt0UZCAsefk 3nGRnEk6bOAM05oh4C/p2ooa/CFPYwEF0ATHA8nYS9eRIFJsEm5XsNVsGL4ygD5KhRr+ wZ/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7psVXQUaCA/Hnwgx6cSvwB/Ci9D7jAQ1/BfZyCOvxFFa16ox+f VJOwR/uvpOAx9HkWv0iQzpBjtiwYPT4aITK5EKnpCQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbsHRPxc15DdquD0MYQzjXQn18UJ8XUptWBd6hekie9+wBC/ouVuMP6MqOJXpf00+6FWjrYaM2BCYzC1LviHqk= X-Received: by 10.107.48.197 with SMTP id w188mr21706497iow.301.1511381180462; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:06:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:06:19 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:6561:a5e8:a74:eef3] In-Reply-To: References: From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:06:19 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b88asgL5VJOUcybVaTdy2sJl_nE Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) To: Johannes Jost Meixner Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:06:21 -0000 On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Johannes Jost Meixner < johannes@perceivon.net> wrote: > > With the removal of the fortune datfiles I think it=E2=80=99s time to h= ave a > discussion about fortune(6). > > Maybe this is a good moment to realize the change was contentious, > should have been discussed before, and must be reverted. > Honestly, what's the alternative? We curate the F out of this file and have people dog our every decision because it doesn't fit with the Republican, Democratic, Green, Liberal, Conservative, Torre, Whig, Socialist, Communist, Yankee, Confederate, Know Nothings, Bull Moose Party, Blues, Reds, Pinks, Kill All The Humans, Walrus Supremacists, Bongo the Pet Seal Horn Blowers or the actually evil Nazi[*] viewpoint? No, we can't be unbiased because there's something in there to offend just about everybody. Even the actual Nazi stuff people are whining about, and that's about as clear cut an example of evil as exists in our times. If we can't agree on even that, there's no hope for the rest. Do we want to spend project time on curating an impossible tangle that our current dysfunctional political climate (at least in my country) has become? Or do we want to spend time upping our game on EFI, fixing VM issues, making the installer better, etc, etc, etc. We're a technical project, primarily, not one that has a political agenda. Warner [*] Don't like my viewpoint? I've proven my point. Not all these view points are actually real.