From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 15:51:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE4B16A4CF for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:51:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts36.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1212943D2D for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:51:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.2.87] ([64.230.155.214]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20050317155109.VAWM1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.2.87]>; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:51:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:58:32 -0500 (EST) From: Dru X-X-Sender: dlavigne6@dru.domain.org To: Anthony Atkielski In-Reply-To: <786788698.20050316190206@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20050317105629.N574@dru.domain.org> References: <20050315104454.W574@dru.domain.org> <20050315101228.Q25559@knight.ixsystems.net> <793354858.20050315202057@wanadoo.fr> <42383D1F.20005@makeworld.com> <786788698.20050316190206@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Certification Group press release X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:51:12 -0000 Please continue this discussion on bsdcert@lists.nycbug.org as that mailing list was created for just such conversation. I will answer this post there and cc Anthony. Dru On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > >> I'm not entirely sure what this is 'sposed to mean. If it means what I >> think it does, I'll translate. > > It means that the real purpose of certification--no matter what type of > certification it might be--is to allow some people to make more money > unfairly to the detriment of others. > > It pains me to see something like FreeBSD going down this path. > Clearly, someone wants to make money off certifications, directly or > indirectly, and no scruples prevent them from attacking the open-source > domain to that end. > > Isn't it bad enough that this type of racket exists for proprietary > software? > > Certification is a matter of some people calling themselves experts, > devising tests to which only they are guaranteed to know all the > answers, then charging other people to take the tests in an attempt to > prove that they know exactly the same answers that the self-appointed > experts know. Unfortunately, this says nothing about anyone's objective > competence in the nominal domain of the test. It does make a lot of > money for the people who devise and administer the tests, and it also > restricts employment and artificially raises salaries for the few who > are willing to go through the hazing ritual of certification. > >> Never mind the BSD certs, concentrate on MS certs - after all, that's >> where the money is at. > > All certifications are designed to make money, nothing more and nothing > less. > >> Well for me, I will do the BSD certs only for personal satisfaction. > > And who writes the exams, and what makes you believe that they are the > ideal arbiters of competence? > >> Considering the types of user we BSD'ers seem to be (from my >> experiences) sure, we care about money, but I'm willing to bet that >> those of us that choose to do some sort of BSD certs, will be doing so >> for our own personal satisfaction. > > I don't need a certification for my own personal satisfaction. I look > to actual hands-on experience for that. Why trust a stranger to > "certify" me, which I can find out firsthand in an indisputable way > whether I'm competent or not? > >> That says much about the type of folks most of us are. At least >> in my mind. > > It shows that even users of BSDs can be manipulated and hoodwinked. > They may complain about the practices of a Microsoft or a Novell, but > change the name and they fall immediately under the spell. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >