From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 16:12:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B1E1065672 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from thalia-smout.broadpark.no (thalia-smout.broadpark.no [80.202.8.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C425C8FC12 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:12:45 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from terra-smin.broadpark.no ([80.202.8.13]) by thalia-smout.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-15.01 64bit (built Feb 12 2010)) with ESMTP id <0L9Z00I18BOGVD40@thalia-smout.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:12:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kg-v2.kg4.no ([80.203.109.34]) by terra-smin.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-15.01 64bit (built Feb 12 2010)) with SMTP id <0L9Z0090RBOG3EA0@terra-smin.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:12:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:12:13 +0200 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: <20101008181213.c9511a15.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> In-reply-to: <20101008091231.GS2532@e-Gitt.NET> References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <4C8627A6.1090308@icyb.net.ua> <20101008091231.GS2532@e-Gitt.NET> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.0.3 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq; m"_0v; ~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD removal (was: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:12:46 -0000 This is straying a bit, but I think it is important: the only good measure of when a technology is too old, is when people (who use FreeBSD in this case) stop using it. On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:12:32 +0200 Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > Maybe you don't really want to hear this, but... > > ISDN is a dying technology. Any time soon you won't get ISDN termination > by your telecom provider anymore. If at all, theyll deliver S0 in your > home while doing VoIP from that little box on your wall. I don't know how it works in other countries, but here (in Norway) it works like this: yes - ISDN technology is dying. However, like all other technologies that major telcos have invested a lot in, its death is very slow. Extremely slow in fact. It could very well be that ISDN will live five or ten years still here, simply because it doesn't cost too much to maintain, and there is no new technology to push the dying ISDN over the edge off the cliff. Why is this? Well, telcos here are investing in mobile technologies for phones. They are _not_ interested in (and do not invest significant money in) things like VoIP. In fact, major telcos here doesn't invest significant money in fibre cables. They only put as much money into it as they need to keep the competition at bay. So who is investing in VoIP and fibre cables here? Answer: the ISP's that doesn't have any large investments in traditional telco cables. Another thing about VoIP calls: have they solved the "emergency call needs a location" problem? Here (again: in Norway) they are still working out how to solve this: if you call emergency services (police, fire department, etc.) from yout VoIP number; how do the emergency center locate you? I mean; how do they know that you are at home, and not at say, a cabin half across the country? With old landlines, there is no problem; it is always installed at an address. Just my point of view. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen