From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 08:10:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04AD3302 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm11-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3908A8A for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:10:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s2048; t=1421395702; bh=HVnODG2IdzsJyU/ik/tkuJKzGhiww8x/tzR9qPV4DwE=; h=Date:From:To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=HSCiqmMxVAe3XALDp+o5Fo+DSskwIDB0X218qZaHvIBf6V1+D1ptYp1h+ZUw6QC8ZqBYJPbiHh3/lc3tRAVTv/RAk3bxfiDD7rebOk1ees7eftv2wj79Lm8V3h7LUVRo0t9mSuc3k5Z3b7eUBZFnNZ/odLrHBOvKQhj6lp2P6yM5HywUf4KvB9xJBYNPBLbfxGKesFeLO/IRjlkS0DHHFtewT2UTr2ASUtdpVzA5sZ8ut4RSiRD5UPcAZ9SJD5y+fuRN1/8AU15jxwINGie27910RevH8kYCR5QpE9ODwFkw0R6NtyPwOelEoMGjdDvF40QCMj1DHO3me0+jVml+Ew== Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2015 08:08:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.242] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2015 08:08:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2015 08:08:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 478925.90815.bm@smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <478925.90815.bm@smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:08:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: zvbM44wVM1keErNMHxzQLCsP.g4oQuJEraH7qqkZrCx1Qsg MQ9AUyn0CSAIM55OuxFpxcABWh_LsnPoqx8DTb1VZf13bMnORCXc3uxyhR2p NMywjOLKG4Lf51maM5gMLle4mpzH1Z3QDadH3YPij2ETKM_d3IMADkPT1wvW sF7FZf99Tz7FNNkVCTF6htwG08.JaRoPDCk8zv8mKVHmII.063Q9TZBOTWck XEGEaKj6MCcyyLfOXBAbHBsqj.8uQ4f14Ixb0AGpQ9dR63LQ26KKrHbBUbfh V8rBFWkKXDw4CvBNn19I8OKV1qsxv_OLm3nGgR_3qrCxjdM9OxTf59mkysWI LV.gevwM7wY.Y9IC_Rc8HDL041AHjYhYTgF3.muaGhv0nLOU6fvmzxD_Gwfe JA9Rz_2oukUEjgWB7BCPkjbKGMKGBU5MYTpXFfYSkD3AXhG9zXAj5lejghwl cS6zkTb9sQ.KkDAZSMwdtAVvJZ8aXAcNfMpsbDtx9YOikeWJdvl7JiGdCZ8D dtKdWeg.eBXYwaYQ83jk5uLOsDMPrkVVLNVtBgXBTUJC24LBiS8IertMSHq3 WO0zSHWqMHTtl6N.apOSqt8V_d5vx7iI.54kPy7dyRm3iA4cc X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20150116022642.L82172@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <485578.59945.bm@smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20150116002206.b48967c9.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: Mount NTFS from base system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:10:29 -0000 from Polytropon and my previous post: > > I had Rod Smith's gdisk on it, and subversion, see rsync was > > not there. > You would need to install rsync from ports. I did, on later installations, both FreeBSD and NetBSD. > > I also have FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE i386 on another USB 2.0 stick, > > updating that was deterred by the fact that "make installworld" > > took 7 to 8 hours. > Yes, R/W operations on a USB stick tend to be slower > than on directly attached hard disks. :-) Maybe it was a particular allergy of FreeBSD to the particular model of USB stick? Normally, FreeBSD amd64, and NetBSD, would take about 45 minutes. > > So I could try booting those to see if I can mount NTFS read-only. > If you have FreeBSD 8 somewhere, it could also work. > Maybe you can even "go back in time" and use of the > older live system CDs (converted for USB booting) > from earlier versions (v8, probably v7 and v6) which > had mount_ntfs in the OS. Actually, I have a FreeBSD 8.2 i386 installation on an IDE hard drive, now in a Sabrent USB 2.0 enclosure, no longer possible to update on that hard drive partition. > > Just tried, from FreeBSD 9.2-STABLE amd64 USB stick, > > trying to mount_ntfs immediately crashed the system, > > I got db> prompt. > That could indicate a severe file system defect. In > worst case, you could install sysutils/ntfsprogs and > use those tools for access, or at least to obtain a > copy of the file system and work with that (instead > of with the original). Maybe it could also be an update to NTFS on Microsoft's end? File system is too big to make a full copy, no place to put it, 5 TB. But it also indicates a lack of robustness in FreeBSD 9.2. NetBSD failed to mount the partition, but didn't crash, in that case connected to a USB 2.0 port because USB 3.0 is not yet working in NetBSD. Or there could have been a defect in the NTFS. I remember the DVD that came with Seagate Business Storage NAS: readable in Linux and Haiku but no files showed in FreeBSD and NetBSD. FreeBSD 9.2 installation on USB stick is too old to be readily updatable; easier to start anew with 10-stable or 11-head. There is an osFree project at osfree.org attempting to create an open-source analogue to OS/2 Warp 4, but at the pace it's going, they will be hard-pressed to produce anything meaningful by year 4000, meaning nobody currently living onm earth will live long enough to see it. There is/was even a FreeVMS project, but that seems to have died, website no longer there. Tom