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Date:      Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:29:23 -0700
From:      Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
To:        Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?
Message-ID:  <202009172329.08HNTNrH056088@slippy.cwsent.com>
In-Reply-To: <0ab6a75e6b821058a2b939447a8e499196ec2388.camel@freebsd.org>
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In message <0ab6a75e6b821058a2b939447a8e499196ec2388.camel@freebsd.org>, 
Ian Le
pore writes:
> On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 12:49 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote:
> > Ian Lepore wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:01 -0600:
> > > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert <
> > > > Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as
> > > > > well.
> > > > > People
> > > > > should be using HTTPS only.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Isn't this a bit too much? I often find myself in need to
> > > > download
> > > > something starting with "http://" or "ftp://" and use fetch for
> > > > this.
> > > 
> > > Indeed, we have products which rely on this ability in libfetch and
> > > we
> > > have to keep supporting them for many many years to come.
> > > 
> > > I hate it when someone imperiously declares [For security reasons]
> > > "People should/shouldn't be using ______".  You have no idea what
> > > the
> > > context is, and thus no ability to declare what should or shouldn't
> > > be
> > > used in that context.  For example, two embedded systems talking to
> > > each other over a point to point link within a sealed device are
> > > not
> > > concerned about man in the middle attacks or other modern internet
> > > threats.
> > 
> > And I really dislike when people want to make sure that their unique
> > case that less than a percent of people would every hit blocks the
> > security improvements for the majority of people...
> > 
> > I've given up on a number of security improvements in FreeBSD because
> > of this attitude...
> > 
>
> Good.  Because what you call "improvements" I would probably call
> "Imposing policy rather than providing tools."

We as developers, here, on the job, or elsewhere, apply policy all the time 
when we make decisions regarding the software we write/maintain. When you 
think of it, I don't have the time for _____ is also a policy decision.

My former manager's 80/20 rule, as much as I didn't like it at the time 
(but now see the wisdom), was also a policy decision. A business decision.

>
> I've don't complain about making defaults the safest choices available.
> I complain about removing options completely because they're unsafe in
> some circumstances according to some people.


-- 
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
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	The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.





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