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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l22sm453580ywl.68.2019.06.27.04.51.04 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (HP-ENVY [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45ZJBb566Yz3CgL for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:50:49 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I've got a major question... Message-ID: <20190627075049.000039f4@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20190627082052.619cac1b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20190626063443.51ad3f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627082052.619cac1b.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/K46xuhtupzeY0AWpW4MxE0q"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 07D478285C X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=AdykxjiT; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.55 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt1.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx.l.google.com,alt3.aspmx.l.google.com,alt2.aspmx.l.google.com,alt4.aspmx.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.923,0]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.02)[ip: (-9.55), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.14), asn: 15169(-2.34), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.b.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:51:08 -0000 --Sig_/K46xuhtupzeY0AWpW4MxE0q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:20:52 +0200, Polytropon stated: >Yes, of course I know that you cannot always buy something new, and >instead have to deal with "we must use what we have" problems. That's >why proper testing is needed _before_ the transition starts. I have always found the limitation on the usability of devices to be one of the odorous problems with all too many non-windows operating systems. It is the antithesis of the often stated Windows "locked in" business plan. I have labeled it the "locked out" game plan. In my opinion, the user should make a detailed list of what their goals and budget are, then move forward with securing the needed items sans any back door hacks, etcetera. I am a firm believer in the 'KISS' principal. That, plus the fact that I never let an OS dictate to me what peripheral devices I can use. It is my firm belief that by utilizing inferior or less robust peripheral devices or software, it is enabling developers or software designers not to create more robust devices with the proper drivers or write more powerful and useful programing. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/K46xuhtupzeY0AWpW4MxE0q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl0UrZwACgkQOHMGOIfe xWRTCQf8CxMcHyFR+9536+kCze/Fp9ouqNIVtP9MCZiR29sF5r0FUN0x+p7N0DoL +ToA2kO/JdBOYT50DpYK5rfHcgV7/IMsrZ2CBnGRXDZkIMDJljYJoPRVGkIddNi+ Fst/2QYdUm9P40NglnyfrpQLCdMgjkK7IGDH2WDkC06wUnkYSNgeU7LKtsrqLasE xyc/cPHsN+pa/AzQtnzU/3GnyHjm4YEcWbF0KwOGCktlOML1vfLwUGZy4aruvVhb Im5S2rIcyKBpKH1j7YR/DgFv/tfwMQsKVvmx3SHwpf5iQqkDBlt2rsdDWbiSVj6n JoEdDum8zO2VQ9T0RvkGSlu4tZ41sQ== =+l82 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/K46xuhtupzeY0AWpW4MxE0q--