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[167.179.159.58]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k1sm19614299pfu.31.2021.11.29.16.54.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:54:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3406413b-a31d-a30f-5091-17af868df792@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 11:54:15 +1100 List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD <freebsd-ports.freebsd.org> List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: <mailto:ports+help@freebsd.org> List-Post: <mailto:ports@freebsd.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:ports+subscribe@freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ports+unsubscribe@freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:96.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/96.0a1 Reply-To: koobs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Bringing back lang/python27 with few modules? Content-Language: en-US To: Rene Ladan <rene@freebsd.org> Cc: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Pau Amma <pauamma@gundo.com>, Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@freebsd.org>, portmgr@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org References: <CAH7qZfvBQ0gKEdOn7nTuzAbMOG9LM2DVGyUs9b9PGwNgJTDCAw@mail.gmail.com> <56cb1da0-311a-d498-f7a0-db2c0d11dca4@FreeBSD.org> <2adfb8979b5477639f4b4a214ef88a90@gundo.com> <YZtnBObluID4XlnG@freefall.freebsd.org> <fa837481-38a1-d6bc-ebc4-90e48eba7f5c@quip.cz> <YZytBkvuIvS9+LwN@freefall.freebsd.org> <325e53db-a47b-164b-949b-fbedaf10924b@FreeBSD.org> <YaDNFc9xlxG/7Vae@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Kubilay Kocak <koobs@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <YaDNFc9xlxG/7Vae@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J33dS2ykxz3GX5 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=G08IH9BS; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of koobsfreebsd@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::429 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=koobsfreebsd@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.15 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[koobs@FreeBSD.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[koobs@FreeBSD.org,koobsfreebsd@gmail.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.955]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[koobs@FreeBSD.org,koobsfreebsd@gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::429:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 26/11/2021 11:03 pm, Rene Ladan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 10:39:15AM +1100, Kubilay Kocak wrote: >> On 23/11/2021 7:57 pm, Rene Ladan wrote: >>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 07:46:35PM +0100, Miroslav Lachman wrote: >>>> On 22/11/2021 10:46, Rene Ladan wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 01:57:56AM +0000, Pau Amma wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-18 01:37, Kubilay Kocak wrote: >>>>>>> We've had many user reports over the last year re the entire >>>>>>> situation, including a number recently about pypy in particular. >>>>>> >>>>>> Late to the discussion, but I'm sad that Chromium survived the Python2.7 >>>>>> removal and Iridium didn't. :-( >>>>> >>>>> Upstream Iridium always seems to lag behind Chromium for a bit, but it is >>>>> doing OK now I geuss (one major version behind). The problem with Iridium >>>>> is also volunteer time to keep the port up to date, one Chromium-like port >>>>> is already a lot. >>>> >>>> Even if you are OK with Chromium, there are users for which Chromium is >>>> not an option and Iridium is more than just preferable. (or Ungoogled, >>>> or Brave or something else not so heavily tied to Google spying / tracking) >>>> >>>> Removing Iridium was a really bad step. >>>> >>> To all of those that keep complaining that Iridium got removed: >>> feel free to bring it back and maintain it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> René >>> >> >> Not helpful Rene. Thank you. > > Neither is your reply. > > René No Rene, it's always appropriate for anyone in the community to feel comfortable calling out inappropriate behaviour, and that is all that was done. If my reply serves only to make someone else in the community feel comfortable doing so in the future, it has served its purpose. If anyone feels uncomfortable with honest feedback about their behaviour, I would submit they spent a little more time considering the approach they take with the community prior to committing to interactions in future. If you'd like to discuss further, I'm always available for people who are motivated, interested, and would like to productively engage others. -- Regards, Kubilay