From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 21 21:13:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216D62BB091 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100034499b0.420ca99ce2f2c63fc87007a6fb2d29c3@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 496GWR07kBz4Dd6 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:13:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100034499b0.420ca99ce2f2c63fc87007a6fb2d29c3@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1587503603; x=1590095603; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=uxrpdHk3dP0RH4w57JyAVM5hnaN0cMw/jWwrKvdMF+Y=; b=fwlHps30F2EAnm23JqvXTwJSNWGtmOkNHOKz4Ovq7UPsBnMOOYur+2jsyVMeXJ7UEQzYL1Unix3ymWkquF/pYWWRq7gxT8BcBaxL5i9u0lvi5BOX+x+f8vxasR6h1LxlUItTQjaiMelFrvn269VkeUytARv7a9HtZhAoT0GyPpY= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDM0NDk5YjAuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:13:12 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:13:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jR0Cc-000Do0-6A; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:13:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:13:10 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Jan Beich Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wayland on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20200421221310.3cff2c00bba2226716db0da4@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5058973.kMyvyFPq5o@amos> <20200421150741.28dd6309.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200421153013.640ea96596f03973cb7cbc16@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 496GWR07kBz4Dd6 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=fwlHps30; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c100034499b0.420ca99ce2f2c63fc87007a6fb2d29c3@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c100034499b0.420ca99ce2f2c63fc87007a6fb2d29c3@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; IP_SCORE(0.03)[ip: (-0.23), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.32), asn: 7381(0.12), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100034499b0.420ca99ce2f2c63fc87007a6fb2d29c3@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100034499b0.420ca99ce2f2c63fc87007a6fb2d29c3@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:13:24 -0000 On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:02:58 +0200 Jan Beich wrote: > Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > > > On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:07:41 +0200 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:18:51 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > >> > On 20 Apr 2020, at 02:24, Ihor Antonov wrote: > >> > > But even in 10 years FreeBSD hackers will keep using rotting X11 > >> > > >> > Perhaps. A tiny percentage. The rest will continue as they are now, > >> > avoiding X11 at all costs because it is insecure bloat that > >> > interferes with the desired operation of the machine. > >> > >> Depends. If Wayland can offer all features that X11 offers at > >> the moment, > > > > Wayland is not network transparent which has always been the > > major advantage (and disadvantage) of X11 over everything else. > > Did you try net/waypipe port/package ? First I've heard of it, that might make Wayland worth looking at (I find network transparency useful often enough not to want to lose it), although with my odd tastes it might be hard finding a Wayland WM I like. > X11 network transparency is also > available via Xwayland which is started automatically. Sure, but if I'm going to use X I might as well use X. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/