From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 10:45:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0B2106564A for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (unknown [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:20c:29ff:fece:79f3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCF98FC08 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:a033:8846:655f:a7cb] (unknown [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:a033:8846:655f:a7cb]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 6C5267B for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:44:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4BB5CAA7.5030108@stillbilde.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:44:55 +0200 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail Account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20100402021715.669838e0.stas@FreeBSD.org> <11597.1270200291@critter.freebsd.dk> <20100402101454.GA62089@icarus.home.lan> <20100402.122836.41723967.sthaug@nethelp.no> In-Reply-To: <20100402.122836.41723967.sthaug@nethelp.no> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE2F259D20C618CF99219C088" Subject: Re: Results of BIND RFC X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:45:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE2F259D20C618CF99219C088 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02.04.2010 12:28, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: >> [1]: FreeBSD really needs to move away from the "base system" as a >> concept, as I've ranted about in the past. >=20 > Strongly disagree. >=20 >> Or if it cannot, the "base >> system" needs to start using pkg_* (somehow) for use, and src.conf >> WITHOUT_xxx (where xxx =3D some software) removed. Concept being: "I >> don't need Kerberos; pkg_delete base-krb5. I also don't need lib32; >> pkg_delete base-lib32". Beautiful concept, hard to implement due to >> libraries being yanked out from underneathe binaries that are linked t= o >> them. But you get the idea. >=20 > This *might* be workable. However, in general - a large part of the > reason why I use FreeBSD is that the FreeBSD base system gives me > most of what I want, in *one* well defined chunk, *without* having > to install a zillion extra packages, and without umpteen different > versions of config files and locations for the important information. >=20 > So please don't destroy this. With the risk of sounding like a me-too-ist: "me too!" I can see the point some have in wanting to run a version from ports over running the base system one. This is doable in the current setup. However the bundled versions of bind (and the other base system packages) are rock stable and there for a reason. Following the "I want this slimmed down and moved to the ports/packages section", further, you could argue that ls, dd, and basically most of /usr/bin could go the same way. Giving FreeBSD the same "distribution nightmare" that some of the ... other unix-like os'es have. Is this really where the users of the OS want it to go? We'll end up spending more time updating tidbits of the system now moved to packages, than actually using it. But why stop there? We could do the same to the src/sys/dev subdirectories as well... 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