From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 23 16:53:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548AA1065678 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snabb@epipe.com) Received: from tiktik.epipe.com (tiktik.epipe.com [IPv6:2001:470:8940:10::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E177C8FC0C for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tiktik.epipe.com (tiktik.epipe.com [IPv6:2001:470:8940:10::1]) by tiktik.epipe.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o5NGrtro080239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:53:55 GMT (envelope-from snabb@epipe.com) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 tiktik.epipe.com o5NGrtro080239 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=epipe.com; s=default; t=1277312035; x=1277916835; bh=tzIrFjKBFZ5ZGCNp5FClR7FAOAqEn9NZIxlMDI9GApc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CtL7c8EgZzfAbdUFG7bf4HZg06f7eQUVlJY3IZvBzq+L0+C8FuqGal3XQ6vJvpGz8 ZeyMrwFcMEq5oSBp0D6CCxzk1VQveCJ5B8I78N44IvFmTr34/Ra9P3H6hrua4qML12 2VRz5cwEoCrNMI5laG1wOUH7fypr1fiWzz6/MNcM= Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:53:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Janne Snabb To: David DEMELIER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.5 (tiktik.epipe.com [IPv6:2001:470:8940:10::1]); Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New pkg-message[.in] guideline idea X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:53:56 -0000 On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, David DEMELIER wrote: > I would do something like this to the FreeBSD ports, if you agree with > me I can check every messages and modify them. I can also put > something in the FreeBSD porter's handbook to write a "pkg-message > template" I find it completely useless and plainly stupid to edit the pkg-messages of all ports to include lots of equal signs for tty-based formatting purposes. In my opinion the messages in the ports tree should contain (English language, word based) messages, and if some visual formatting is desired, it should be done by the upper layer which displays the message (such as the ports framework, a web site which displays information about various ports, or whatever). The more clueful web monkeys have known to separate content from visual formatting for several years, why should FreeBSD make the same mistake the web monkeys did when www first became popular? However I fully support the idea that all the relevant messages should be displayed at the end of a build/upgrade process whenever technically feasible (otherwise they will just fly past while I am having a lunch or whatever). If the boild/upgrade process fails in the middle, the messages of successful builds/upgrades should still be displayed, even though the end of the process has not been reached. -- Janne Snabb / EPIPE Communications snabb@epipe.com - http://epipe.com/