From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 14 05:30:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A387E16A4E0; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE80143D4C; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:30:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7E5Rd48000885; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:27:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20060813.232747.1723237013.imp@bsdimp.com> To: julian@elischer.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <44DFE9C0.4010702@elischer.org> References: <20060802172505.GA1935@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20060813.145131.1172764406.imp@bsdimp.com> <44DFE9C0.4010702@elischer.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Cc: deischen@freebsd.org, thompsa@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, fullermd@over-yonder.net, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Subject: Re: Where is thr_getscheduler X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:30:55 -0000 In message: <44DFE9C0.4010702@elischer.org> Julian Elischer writes: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : : >In message: <20060802172505.GA1935@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> : > Steve Kargl writes: : >: Almost everything on a FreeBSD system depends on libc. Bumping : >: its version number without careful coordination of bumping all : >: other version numbers is full of landmines. Falling back of the : >: retort "this is -current expect problesm" just glosses over what : >: appears to be sloppy planning. : > : >I'm really hoping that we can stop bumping major versions of libc.so.7 : >when we go to versioned symbols. : > : > : : From my experienc, versioned symbols allows you to avoid about 50% of : library version bumps : but you still need them every now and then. : There are lots of other ABI changes that need to happen that symbol : versionning just can't help you with. : For example, changing argument types. That's the 'trivial' case that symbol versioning is supposed to fix... warner