From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 12 18:07:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB96106566C for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from outX.internet-mail-service.net (outx.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A098FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from idiom.com (mx0.idiom.com [216.240.32.160]) by out.internet-mail-service.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316AD2448; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9E92D600D; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48CAAFE3.2050509@elischer.org> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:07:31 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: <75BD7074-F561-42D5-A537-FFF44B612BFB@mac.com> <48CA089B.6010102@elischer.org> <64026D00-137A-47AE-B03E-F6A3F3769101@mac.com> <48CAA137.6040404@elischer.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , Peter Wemm , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serial console on 8.x (probably sio vs uart) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:07:33 -0000 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 10:04 AM -0700 9/12/08, Julian Elischer wrote: >>> >>> No. Hints are optional and misused as they are. We're >>> not making things any cleaner if we make driver X look >>> for hints for driver Y. >> >> >> yeah but I almost bricked a machine the other day upgrading because >> I didn't have any uart hints but there were sio hints from the >> previous kernel that would have done the job. > > /usr/src/UPDATING includes some boot-loader commands which are > supposed to help people who get into that situation. That didn't > work for me, but ... that assumes you can get to the console. > > Hmm. actually that reminds me of something I forgot to try. >