From nobody Tue Mar 29 06:18:50 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CF51A333FF for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 06:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd0002dba575.c0bafa769dbd684c10285d1f3d1add6a@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KSKC70YLHz4gSl for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 06:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd0002dba575.c0bafa769dbd684c10285d1f3d1add6a@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1648534739; x=1651126739; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=2/OMO5WoQCfKWLUE9HC4ajFpRi8EsUs4GgjHbawLa8Y=; b=PU7zs4HSecFFMuJ/WPvXKa9zAJJoAsMyosTCapuC21UmDafXsmXCpPgsIZ41xooE9BCW7+zT8qBJTTmo7LXenkY6wyXqlDo3/PXwN/R/IkhRBxdVK3NW7Iqw88T5U4FNd4BQDO/xPMQPB63MEPZf0WUa7ZtZxUTtaBszhPffdyo= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkZDAwMDJkYmE1NzUucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 29 Mar 2022 02:18:52 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 29 Mar 2022 02:18:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1nZ5Bq-000FoP-B5; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:18:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:18:50 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Dave Hayes Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food Message-Id: <20220329071850.bca73cd201ca6d5d957c532d@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20220328173414.0572dd85@bigus.dream-tech.com> References: <38b7f44-6d54-fec6-c1f0-d3609d301687@safeport.com> <20220327132420.201da20c@archlinux> <20220327212421.adaee52ba708a058e5ef6bd8@sohara.org> <4f3edca7-45ec-b8ae-45dc-9648cced9bfe@kicp.uchicago.edu> <772cf4b0-9e26-3126-ec4b-bd91986883dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20220328055449.8a30774a61f3b298e778ae68@sohara.org> <20220328121115.7d368d32@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20220328213101.b4e8a7c447964ba025d30883@sohara.org> <20220328173414.0572dd85@bigus.dream-tech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KSKC70YLHz4gSl X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=PU7zs4HS; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4dd0002dba575.c0bafa769dbd684c10285d1f3d1add6a@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4dd0002dba575.c0bafa769dbd684c10285d1f3d1add6a@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.69 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.191.1:received]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd0002dba575.c0bafa769dbd684c10285d1f3d1add6a@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd0002dba575.c0bafa769dbd684c10285d1f3d1add6a@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 17:34:14 -0700 Dave Hayes wrote: > In other words, I want devs to -want- to help more. :D IOW you want things to be different. I've explained why things are as they are and that what we have is the result of people doing what they want to do and that if you want more done then the onus is on *you* to help the project do it. I haven't contributed any changes for some time now (the last was finding an obscure race in the kernel crypto code) because I haven't found anything *I* want to change. So be the change you want to see in the world rather than asking for it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/