From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 7 00:37:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10E916A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA8A43D31 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.186]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ae9C2-000CqU-0V for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:37:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:37:01 +0000 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Kevin Golding References: <20040106202408.GC63867@kosmos.my.net> <20040106233751.A32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> <20040107001001.GA65133@kosmos.my.net> <20040107042006.GA65900@kosmos.my.net> In-Reply-To: <20040107042006.GA65900@kosmos.my.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Subject: Re: Personal patches X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:37:37 -0000 In article <20040107042006.GA65900@kosmos.my.net>, Allan Bowhill writes >On 0, Brad Knowles wrote: >:At 4:10 PM -0800 2004/01/06, Allan Bowhill wrote: > >:> No organization (or nation) with plenty to lose will base it's practices >:> on institutionalized trust. It's always institutionalized mistrust that >:> makes it possible to conduct business. Like with banks. >: >: The biggest crimes are always committed by insiders. You or I >:would be unlikely to steal thousands of dollars from a bank, and >:totally unable to steal billions of dollars from a bank, but for >:insiders it could be very easy. Indeed, for them the larger the >:numbers, the easier they are to hide. > >Batting 1000. The biggest act of terrorism in the U.S. was not performed >by insiders. Timothy McVeigh was convicting of killing 168 Americans, including young children, with his Oklahoma attack. He was American through and through. The WTC attacks were 17 people killing 3000. According to my maths that's only 176 victims each, many of whom weren't American. The biggest act of terrorism may not have been by Americans, but the terrorist who killed the most Americans was. >However, you have a good point. Preventing domestic terrorism is another >aspect of homeland security. The word *home*land would suggest it's quite major in my eyes :-) America has had a history of not caring about terrorism overseas; even supporting terror groups both morally and financially. That's a large reason why people outside the USA find the recent attitude to terrorism a little hard to comprehend. Kevin