From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 27 08:36:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0528A742 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 08:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [188.252.31.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "puchar.net", Issuer "puchar.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F1869A7 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 08:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t2R8a55S017163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:36:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from laptop.wojtek.intra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by laptop.wojtek.intra (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t2R8a3st000743; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:36:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by laptop.wojtek.intra (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t2R8ZvJj000740; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:35:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) X-Authentication-Warning: laptop.wojtek.intra: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:35:57 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@laptop.wojtek.intra To: d@delphij.net Subject: Re: Seagate Archive HDD In-Reply-To: <55148E42.80708@delphij.net> Message-ID: References: <55148E42.80708@delphij.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (puchar.net [10.0.1.1]); Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:36:06 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 08:36:21 -0000 >> need of rewrite few full tracks worth of data, but otherwise will >> then be compatible and can i use it as usual? > > My understanding is that the SMR drives are actually different class > of storage device. > > The "drive managed" drives as shipped now tries to emulate normal hard > drive's behavior but they present unique risks: for instance, a > rewrite of a small block may end up in a read-modify-write of a much > larger area, so we must refrain from doing such operations for small part (like 10GB) of storage space is formatted without SMR and used as log. writes that doesn't fit full SMR stripe are first written to log then (after possibly very long delay and some coalescing) - read/modify/writted to normal space