From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 20 20:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EB916A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:28:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.asarian-host.net (mail.asarian-host.net [194.109.160.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE47343D1D for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:28:06 +0000 (GMT) SRS0=VoNTsl1F=R6=asarian-host.net=admin@asarian-host.net) Received: from anonymizer.asarian-host.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.asarian-host.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KKS5QZ069191 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:28:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from admin@asarian-host.net) From: Mark Received-SPF: pass (asarian-host.net: sender IP is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) receiver=asarian-host.net; client-ip=sender IP; envelope-from=; helo=asarian-host; Message-Id: <200503202028.j2KKS5Us069180@asarian-host.net> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:28:05 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: admin@asarian-host.net X-Trace: 4jQT8+DgTlHnYd54l1dRZCAtOGDvFepIQYELnHwuvtE4nIJfPRmwrtCC09PH+outqJXoPTUpG/2ePXkpAFUP8A== X-Complaints-To: abuse@asarian-host.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, otherwise we are unable to process your complaint Organization: Asarian-host To: "'FreeBSD-Questions Questions'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Auth: Asarian-host PGP signature iQEVAwUAQj3c1TFqW1BleBN9AQE4nQgAg8loTW1PH1ZbFIJvzfJHJa3JIDGOrX0e Jx7fp3P5tW0eNFWdEhnk8aww0O8sg3OEhZSsowFGt/UODL0bz4KyS51oR96cL3e7 FJcwtfmBGWQybSDFpJ4ezHxphBImnfrfPZSnAE/TpKYg/bwH1UMnFu7/JCm/PF+2 LUG0ZmQkHVFVmOhlLVtRWTTGV2A1E+kW9BH23ehoXq7xeJ52uQc10zMX90TNbK4C IJE2SekssIvSfbuCiw4rM7WyO/T4H6xiXbD4zOP+pNYq7JAr+j7ycW3oHC/fDVsz PqXGUu9ZQ/CQPjjKltrBB/rTHbpaI1SpRzTRU8iKyneaVQClAVVGRw== =JPj9 Subject: RE: Adaptec AAC raid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:28:08 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Charles Swiger > Sent: zondag 20 maart 2005 17:18 > To: Adam > Cc: misc@openbsd.org; freebsd list; Theo de Raadt > Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support > > > I'd bet a dollar to a donut that LSI, Promise, 3ware, and other > vendors of RAID hardware also have NDA agreements which would prevent > those companies from making every single internal document available > to the public. Nobody ever asked they make 'every single internal document available to the public'. That is your own strawman. People do ask, however, that Adaptec makes enough documentation available to know when what commands to set to the chipset, and when to expect what to be returned. Especially if they themselves have not solved all bugs > Let's pretend you're right, just for the sake of argument. > Let's say that Adaptec could release all of their docs. Same deal; nobody ever asked they release 'all of their docs'. That is just your own twist. > Besides, I'm quite sure you're wrong: Adaptec wants me and other > potential customers to buy their products, just as any other hardware > vendor would. In that case, Adaptec better get their act together. But I can assure you, and your Adaptec buddies, that, having followed this crazy discussion for too long, that I will never ever hereafter advise my boss to buy Adaptec any more. Not that they will feel the pinch, as I am just a small fish; but their attitude stinks up to high heaven. And yours too, I might add. > Children learn to accept "no" in the process of growing up. News-flash: sometimes the customer says 'no' too; I hope they are grown-up enough to deal with that reality, too. :) > They learn > to deal with the world not giving them anything and everything the > child might demand, the moment it is demanded. And if you want children to play with your toys, then you should tell them how they work! Otherwise, pretty soon you'll be sitting there all alone, with your big box of hardware, and all kids shunning you like the plague. - Mark