From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 17 15:45:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1773216A420; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nslay@comcast.net) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [63.240.77.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77D513C461; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:45:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nslay@comcast.net) Received: from lightbulb.local (c-68-35-224-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net[68.35.224.189]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20071017153543012009oppke>; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:35:44 +0000 Message-ID: <47162BAD.50604@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:35:09 -0400 From: Nathan Lay User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070805) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "P.U.Kruppa" References: <47150D87.3070804@gmx.de> <47150F82.9060805@FreeBSD.org> <20071017030940.R1559@small> In-Reply-To: <20071017030940.R1559@small> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "\[LoN\]Kamikaze" , Kris Kennaway , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCHED_4BSD in RELENG_7 disturbs workflow X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:45:49 -0000 P.U.Kruppa wrote: > On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >> [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: >>> I know that RELENG_7 is not considered very near-release, but I >>> thought I'd >>> give my 2¢ in the hope that I might have a little influence on the >>> scheduler >>> development to my benefit. >>> >>> The switch from RELENG_6 to RELENG_7 went relatively smooth and >>> apart from ipw >>> causing panics. However there is one thing that's disturbing and >>> this is the >>> scheduler. I only have single core machines, so whatever I say only >>> applies to >>> those. If you think single-core machines are no longer important, >>> feel free to >>> ignore this. In deed, just ignore me however much you like. >>> >>>> From my perspective scheduling on RELENG_6 was way better. Even on >>>> a full >>> workload like a portupgrade the focused application (both in X and >>> on the >>> console) always received enough cycles to run smoothly and >>> applications that >>> ran in background like audio players also kept on running fine. >>> >>> Quite the contrary on RELENG_7. During a portupgrade or even worse >>> 'pkgdb -L' >>> (recovering lost dependencies) audio players (both graphical and >>> mplayer) >>> scatter, either because they don't get the hard-disk or CPU-cycles >>> (which one, >>> I don't know) and the focused application also often hangs. It just >>> looks like >>> occasionally (under load) everything freezes for a second and then >>> goes on >>> relatively normal. >>> >>> I've got the impression that things compile a little faster (that >>> might be my >>> imagination, though), but I'd rather have a smooth working experience. >>> >>> This is just my view of the situation and I suppose it is only one >>> of many. I >>> bid you be merciful with us single-core people, who cannot afford a >>> slick >>> multi-core machine, because we worry how to pay for our food at the >>> end of the >>> month. >> >> Not to say that any problems that might have developed with >> SCHED_4BSD should not be fixed, but you should give SCHED_ULE a try >> since it brings benefits even for single CPU systems (e.g. better >> interactive response). > I would like to second that. I have seen the same problems on my > single processor system and using SCHED_ULE instead of SCHED_4BSD > seems to improve the situation a lot. > > Uli. >> >> Kris >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > Peter Ulrich Kruppa > Wuppertal > Germany > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have this problem too...although I always imagined the cause was WITNESS and various other debug options. Best Regards, Nathan Lay