From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:08:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ED716A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcmxvii@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD3C13C468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcmxvii@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1410065waf for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:07:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0LNWgpdXiQPOpRFSRlGuigRl33Xhg08qVMFZLhEj8SE=; b=DyKmbfFpxQ5MD1vuDtdSulvTviINlYbCzfkULa55Yawj2AS+9SebtbL6inoAPko+9huPkndwzIOhpGGYfDhP2+XEfd5W7tgdoXo+2hUhLlavgZ6d2+V/p8qMqvHVLpKdSDH4EIMzYRh2Yp6VHIz/AcExVO/51A/lf0ecbWurO/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PySe320GVLA/cWT3nzJdUoVSLwm8+OwCBwhPhc6i+OcH5BVteTs8Z02kkkudORvrTAk53/BpSszKhu1rcPOXN6OQWuaVjuT1Dl2BGcXmW3Ui3o+dl6MgC8PgTVo8EionL43UopLFpg3zJI6wNSYSoEnh1YeP2GXoshw+Q1HJr0s= Received: by 10.115.54.1 with SMTP id g1mr746658wak.1196174383485; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.211.11 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:39:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9964e6660711270639icb920e0nc2e51d0a14ac7604@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:39:43 +0300 From: "Nico Revin" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071126013545.GB29622@demeter.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200711221711.lAMHB2Go059678@fire.js.berklix.net> <4746DC61.3070409@gmail.com> <20071126013545.GB29622@demeter.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:08:01 -0000 You know... The only thing I can say for sure is that FreeBSD and *buntu are both great systems. But the problem is in management. Why do you think Ubuntu became so popular? Mark sold his business and had a great credit to fire a start-up. So he did. And what had he done first? He bought all of us. Show me a person who DID NOT got ubuntu via ship-it system? It was really for free!!! And when the quantity of ship-it users and the community became really great and the demand in his products grew enough, he began to sell dvd-s. He divided all users into categories. He made the deployment and the support efficient and transparent. His products are like christmas candies. Shipit cd is a huge marketing victory and it helped Mark to popularize Ubuntu and to begin selling it. FreeBSD was the best OS for servers (and not only for servers ;). And it is the best now. But the current market situation is that linux/bsd systems MUST compete with each other. FreeBSD is one of the best platforms (remember MAC OS X?). And it CAN be competitive. Marketing is evil. But without it you can lose the market share, respect and money... The economic model of the open-source projects is very weak. Mark demonstrates that it can be efficient. Oh! Some notes about Mark. He is a public person. He appears regularly in different interviews, magazines, e-magazines. He finds million ways to make people get intrigued. just visit ubuntu.com. well FreeBSD makes some presentations like http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/7.0%20Preview.pdf which would be good enough if someone knew it exists! if you organize a quiz most people will say smth like "oh! freebsd is still alive?!" I wouldn't like my project to be told about like that!.. -- Best regards, Nico Revin. icq #273780534 http://koshak.blogspot.com