From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Dec 20 20:57:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9004EA49FD for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:57:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from vps-mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a098::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A10023028 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:57:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.187] (cpe-75-82-192-14.socal.res.rr.com [75.82.192.14]) by vps-mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 345db980 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:57:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Vote: making wayland=on default To: net@arrishq.net, Johannes Lundberg Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: From: Pete Wright Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:57:55 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:57:57 -0000 On 12/20/2017 11:49, net@arrishq.net wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2017, Johannes Lundberg wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Personally I see no reason not to make it default on, even with >> flavors coming up. For any Desktop user (as well as embedded devices >> like IVI-systems and whatnot), Wayland is the future. There's no >> escaping that. > > and why does everyone think a Unix should be run on a desktop only ? I suspect you might be a little confused - no one is saying that Unix is going to be "desktop only" - this is in regards to where graphical interfaces is moving for Unix like operating systems in general. > And the "future", well, lot of companies are going to say "Cloud > first" ;) is the future so the next thing-of-the-day will replace the > today-thing-of-the-day to add what's required then and we're busy > replacing things with the newest shiny technology because someone has > to re-invent the wheel another time. > > Personally I don't see much problems rebuilding some ports if I really > want Wayland, but as long as some apps run on some RasPi's and > embedded devices without a display using plain X11 is the way and > Wayland adds just overhead. > how does adding support, by default, for Wayland in some graphical binaries add overhead to your system at run time? no one is saying that this will supplant Xorg, but rather this will make it easier for more people in the FreeBSD community to actively test and dogfood Wayland.  the alternative is for FreeBSD to continue to be an afterthought by freedesktop and Wayland community which doesn't seem like a good long-term strategy IMHO. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA