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The only thing needed to update them is a successful build (in meta mode), it is so painless that many developers at Juniper remain completely ignorant of them ;-) > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Using automation systems like Jenkins would definitely he= lp, > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 but that's not the only way to do things. Only if it builds in meta mode I think. You can generate meta files during a normal build but they are valuable for debugging mostly. Perhaps with a heavy set of filtering they might be used to glean correct tree dependencies - but building in meta mode is simpler. Note, and out of date Makefile.depend does not guarantee a build faliure, it introduces a race condition though, each race has its own likelyhood of win/lose of course, so there is often quite a bit of tollerance for out of date dependencies. Anyway, it's a bit early to be worrying about that. Thanks --sjg