From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 2 8:51: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6BD37B419 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020302165053.KJNX1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:50:53 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g22Goq946750; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200203021650.g22Goq946750@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Michael Lucas Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Official -doc freeze proposal In-reply-to: <20020302071734.A82120@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020221115732.GA575@rhadamanth> <20020221170951.B30225@blackhelicopters.org> <20020222.085904.28781226.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <200202221535.g1MFZx236793@bmah.dyndns.org> <20020226094226.B55250@blackhelicopters.org> <200203010100.g2110e001512@bmah.dyndns.org> <20020301032142.GA46101@hades.hell.gr> <3C7EF912.30001@pittgoth.com> <20020301090953.A87015@eborcom.com> <20020302112006.Q56195@nathan.ruhr.de> <20020302071734.A82120@blackhelicopters.org> Comments: In-reply-to Michael Lucas message dated "Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:17:34 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:50:52 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If memory serves me right, Michael Lucas wrote: > On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 11:20:06AM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > [trimmed cc: list and subject] > > > > I have had mixed feelings about the freeze before but this a very > > important point. I do remember some rather frustrated mails from > > Jordan when problems with the documentation broke the release > > building process again and again. > > > > Well, it does help that we have a -doc member who is part of the > releng team. If we break it, Bruce will fix it. Lucky Bruce. :-) Heh. murray still wears a -doc hat too, and rumor has it that jhb was a -doc person before he got seduced by the src/ side. :-) > Changes that do not directly affect the translation teams should be > allowed. This basically means typos. We should directly notify the > translation teams of these changes. Fixing residual build breakage should also be allowed. Three other points: 1. For src/, the re team approves commits during a freeze. But for doc/ we allow much less change, and we're a small enough group that we can basically trust each other to Do The Right Thing (TM). 2. Note that the doc/ freeze ends when the doc/ tree is tagged, and the release notes "soft freeze" (== slush) ends when src/ is tagged. The doc/ tagging usually doesn't slip, and happens a few days before the src/ tagging, which may have slippage of days to a week. So we can determine the doc/ freeze date from the release schedule, and the release documentation person can call the release notes slush based on the general state of the world. 3. Unbeknownst to some of you we've got a developer preview of 5.0 coming up. Its working name is "5.0-DP1", and it is tentatively scheduled to be cut around in late March or early April. I intend to implement the release notes slush for 5.0-DP1. This might also be a chance to try a "test run" of the doc/ freeze concept in a low pressure environment (i.e. not a "real" release, so mistakes won't hurt too much). Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message