From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 10 05:41:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4915BBD2482 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3871620C for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 37CE2BD2481; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37792BD2480 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A7520B for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ppp14-2-64-199.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([14.2.64.199]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2016 15:06:11 +0930 Subject: Re: X+webkit = Disgraceful To: CK , questions@freebsd.org References: From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <6a58eda5-748a-cd64-6f77-3cd53f1c8eb3@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 15:06:10 +0930 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:41:25 -0000 On 09/09/2016 18:49, CK wrote: > 252M . > 7.6M ./bash > 200k ./gnome > 31M ./gnome2 > 1.6M ./gnome3 > 1M ./hunspell > 1.0M ./jpeg8d > 13M ./perl > 10M ./python > 27M ./xorg > > I just fetched the recursive ports for: > > x11/xorg-minimal > x11/xfd x11/xset x11/xterm > x11-fonts/bdftopcf x11-fonts/pcf2bdf > x11-wm/vtwm www/webkit-gtk2 > > And that doesn't even include a web-browser > 250+ MB, 36+ hours of downloading, and I still > can't even view the WWW, graphically. It's just > fucking disgusting. In 1996, I didn't even have > a hard drive that big, and my kernel was about > 1/2 MB, RAM was 16MB, FreeBSD took about 16MB of > disk space, and I could install everything from a > bunch of floppies, and Xwindow + graphical browser > was just a minor addition - maybe a few MB at most. > And guess what? THE WEB DOESN'T LOOK ANY BETTER > TODAY THAN THEN (with the exception of server-side And you haven't even discovered the joys of compiling that crap yourself. Webkit really shows off the wonder of C++ and templates, the various webkit source tarballs may weigh in between 5 and 18 MB but you will want multiple GB of RAM to compile each of the ports that is based on the same source code. www/webkit-gtk2 www/webkit-gtk3 www/webkit2-gtk3 www/webkit-qt4 www/webkit-qt5 what makes it even better is that you get all of these installed because the five apps you want to use each want to use a different webkit port. And if you hadn't worked it out - only simple apps actually use the webkit ports, mostly for petty things like a help window, the big boys like firefox and chromium have their own source and don't use the webkit ports. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler