From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 14:45:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 423C9D53 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2lp0212.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.212]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1CF8133B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BY1PR0301MB0839.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.145) by BY1PR0301MB1191.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.195.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1015.19; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:45:04 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] (2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df) by BY1PR0301MB0839.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1019.16; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:45:01 +0000 Message-ID: <54072969.2080800@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:44:57 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michelle Sullivan , Brandon Allbery Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool References: <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052DFA.4030808@freebsd.org> <54053372.6020009@my.hennepintech.edu> <5405890F.8080804@freebsd.org> <20140902125256.Horde.uv31ztwymThxUZ-OYPQoBw1@webmail.df.eu> <5405AE54.60809@sorbs.net> <1D2B4A91-E76C-43A0-BE75-D926357EF1AF@gmail.com> <5405E4F5.4090902@sorbs.net> <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg> <5406ED34.7090301@sorbs.net> <5406F00C.6090504@digsys.bg> <358B9E99-5E02-47BA-9E30-045986150966@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <540711FF.3050409@sorbs.net> <47F4AAAA-2D88-4F03-8602-880C4B129305@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <54072011.7030800@sorbs.net> <54072357.40101@sorbs.net> In-Reply-To: <54072357.40101@sorbs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] X-ClientProxiedBy: BN3PR0301CA0059.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.152.155) To BY1PR0301MB0839.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.145) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;UriScan:;UriScan:; X-Forefront-PRVS: 032334F434 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(24454002)(199003)(189002)(4396001)(99396002)(46102001)(75432001)(31966008)(77982001)(77096002)(87266999)(105586002)(64126003)(76482001)(54356999)(76176999)(50986999)(42186005)(65816999)(50466002)(23676002)(74662001)(74502001)(79102001)(64706001)(86362001)(47776003)(20776003)(21056001)(83506001)(59896002)(65806001)(101416001)(107046002)(81342001)(102836001)(65956001)(117636001)(92726001)(95666004)(89122001)(87976001)(80022001)(83322001)(92566001)(83072002)(106356001)(90102001)(85306004)(81542001)(85852003)(93886004)(88552001)(89472002)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY1PR0301MB0839; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:0; MX:1; LANG:en; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu Cc: freebsd-stable , Daniel Kalchev X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 14:45:14 -0000 On 2014.09.03 09:19, Michelle Sullivan wrote: >> But the ports tree does not provide this and never has. > Yes and with the exception of 6.x->7.x no one has come alone and made > such a massive change that has deliberately broken build systems for > production servers without good reason without any alternative whilst > people migrate (and lets not start the 'well you had 2 years' thing > again - I had less than 2 months notice that the EOL message was put > there so that the packaging system (and therefore the ports tree) was > going to be deliberately, irrevocably and irreversibly broken - and the > person responsible was quite happy about it. ) If you think the ports team didn't communicate the EOL notice well enough, file a PR and let them know how you think they could have done better. Do not act like they sent out a notice only 2 months ago and just released pkg last week. It *has* been a 2 year process, and your ignorance of it doesn't change that. Complaining isn't productive, but if you have real suggestions for improving processes that involve breaking changes like this, I'm sure we would all be happy to hear them.