From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Fri May 7 10:17:45 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1C55FFA0C for ; Fri, 7 May 2021 10:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rozhuk.im@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Fc5x46fZgz4Qt2; Fri, 7 May 2021 10:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rozhuk.im@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id h4so8611167wrt.12; Fri, 07 May 2021 03:17:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AXP9ewQWEaxy7FOxthv1PkbrmzYl9j6nUhGrb4yurt0=; b=l2iMPDbZ2B82xZJL9D/NxJObDVnYzrE91IznWjIueRjZb6Knua/4qXNXMEo4EnuBoB UWFUNSzFgTm/cL2Nl4aYnD41OOHnUq4WDU9HtSFdbl7E85dHHI2kum0qzzjt/Cjs95vT SnW34DF3Ulj1qUYlXEVuEN3KO4nLKyFwOdNNxzI/Ad4CW18fKyrUfUd3Csb2VJKZ6j2j A4ZFcQ2W5QgVzj4tLAX4lGvCsHdXVRv4kuVUJNE+MdVTGiwfMRIC29IX3RfLXDsmFr1b 1NzKrM19o/F/w7LjeXkMAPtJr78woZ8lHgFD+UkhZczIK3tp9ee+Ed48obPaKCSIhMM1 Xppw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AXP9ewQWEaxy7FOxthv1PkbrmzYl9j6nUhGrb4yurt0=; b=Kcp8PHTwU2aIbVa+L7Y2Dn1+AhkqzXGXmyw5BXVjxxgIuZUCsK4Unz9/HbDQw6Mcb3 7mRKZEvDN13co6zFtbmHgrKgayuq7ruKbhPPWBPBQw5yDcHfTCEO/6CxxEz1K1kNi5jr mul17Ty7A52No+cvDBmCA9Hcx9Os8+3hCwBxwQeWzPEpFrtGhylwiK5nCT8j+d9rxtiW N2XqPe0UCGOmxcCMfy3cDa4arDXJ1Sy1Q2JJY9Jxb0Q3awaQIx1Kq6nOB5EjizZ3hV28 lBdrIiHa8+zooUlFMCdEeE9fjfezgiF/yk5qEPLWCw3j8tJ4jdQc5+we8S5lHMiFTtWq euqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530BTst8H5QAS5nm2U3GBHfflFTwvmhyXssGkyA1PUiAxCTQAg39 VMrKPEenRkgeO2BC4yb88ADlloWDqKM7y2C4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwqFcBgwzw0SF3tJwnCw19RlcLEGsY/vU2gk8WRx1NTQ6lmZYzB++UZeTzBPsrTgNTHUlS4Rw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:1a85:: with SMTP id f5mr11186086wry.213.1620382663244; Fri, 07 May 2021 03:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rimwks.local ([2001:470:1f15:3d8:7285:c2ff:fe37:5722]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j13sm7844254wrw.93.2021.05.07.03.17.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 07 May 2021 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Rozhuk Ivan X-Google-Original-From: Rozhuk Ivan Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 13:17:41 +0300 To: David Chisnall Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WSLg update on 1-5-2021 - BSD / WSL Message-ID: <20210507131741.47f3aab9@rimwks.local> In-Reply-To: <92a81582-7bd4-b9f1-04b6-cbcd5eb77893@FreeBSD.org> References: <0b3d6049-f6eb-f9d4-5f20-f09ac666e949@nomadlogic.org> <92a81582-7bd4-b9f1-04b6-cbcd5eb77893@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Fc5x46fZgz4Qt2 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2021 10:17:45 -0000 On Thu, 6 May 2021 10:57:16 +0100 David Chisnall wrote: > Whether Microsoft or the FreeBSD project should do the work really > comes down to who has more to gain. Windows 10 is installed on > around a 1.3 billion devices and any of these users can run Ubuntu > with a single click in the Microsoft Store, so it feels as if the > FreeBSD project has a lot to gain from being able to reach them. Make job for free - make more money for MS. Make win10 to support more features to increase windows value... > If you believe that FreeBSD provides a better experience (I certainly > believe it provides a better developer experience) than Ubuntu, then > making it easy to reach every Windows users is of huge value to the > FreeBSD project and community. Manipulation detected. > Microsoft, in contrast, is driven by requests from customers who > spend money on our products and services. > Around a hundred people > commented on the WSL issue to add FreeBSD support. Ok, do you job and add FBSD support to WSL. > If you assume > that 1% of people who want the feature commented, then this gives > around 10,000 folks who really want a FreeBSD equivalent of WSL. They give money to MS, they ask MS to do job for money. > It's pretty hard to justify a feature in Windows that only 0.001% of > Windows users will use. If you want to change that arithmetic, then > next time your organisation is renewing M365 or Azure service > subscriptions, tell your sales rep that FreeBSD support is important > to your company. There is many other hosting services that have FBSD support. So this is MS/azure problem.