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Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:18:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Weinberger Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:17:57 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PHP version retirement To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Cc: FreeBSD Ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466Gf01rH0z4cZc X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=pEX0wB5Z; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of adamw@adamw.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::433 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=adamw@adamw.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adamw.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.94)[ip: (-9.20), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-3.04), asn: 15169(-2.39), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 00:18:17 -0000 On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:50 PM Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch wrote: > > Hi Adam, > > > Am 11.08.2019 um 23:22 schrieb Adam Weinberger : > > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:05 PM Franco Fichtner = wrote: > >> > >> Quarterly is essentially useless if the decision is to immediately axe= a deprecated release. 3 months are nothing in production environments, if = you get 3 months (1,5 months mean) at all and also all other updates and se= curity relevant bug fixes in the same quarterly that you desperately need. > >> > >> Yeah, we know that won=E2=80=99t happen so please don=E2=80=99t sugges= t it. > >> > >> That deprecation policy is nice and well all by itself except when it = wreaks havoc over the ports infrastructure like in the case of PHP version = support where numerous ports are immediately unavailable and incompatible w= ith upgrades. > >> > >> Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an aba= ndoned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a port tha= t to just keep it in the tree for a while longer. > > > > That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is > > largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. > > The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php team > > is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions > > outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport > > fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions > > I do not understand this. At all. > And I sort of hope I misunderstood you, because it sounds like you think = a maintainer is or may be regarded as someone who can be expected to provid= e product support of some kind? > I find that notion worrying to say the least. If you believe that handling updates, analyzing submitted and upstream patches and development, and answering a bevy of questions for every major update is effortless, then you drastically underestimate the amount of work that goes into the ports tree. Like I said in the part of my reply that you deleted, I'm open to considering another model that permits and limits ports of stale language versions. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org